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EmmanuelJB
03-08-2010, 01:20 AM
I am in the process of starting a 10 gallon nano reef that I thought I would share with everyone!

http://i585.photobucket.com/albums/ss300/EmmanuelJB/10%20Gallon%20Nano%20Reef/IMG_4263.jpg
The 10 Gallon Tank. The two tanks wont sit next to each other like that. I am having a stand made so they can sit on top of each other.

http://i585.photobucket.com/albums/ss300/EmmanuelJB/10%20Gallon%20Nano%20Reef/IMG_4206.jpg
My Marineland 50 Watt Stealth Pro Heater. Im not sure if im keeping it. I might switch for a Visi-Therm.

http://i585.photobucket.com/albums/ss300/EmmanuelJB/10%20Gallon%20Nano%20Reef/IMG_4242.jpg
Aqua Clear 30 Filter.

http://i585.photobucket.com/albums/ss300/EmmanuelJB/10%20Gallon%20Nano%20Reef/IMG_4274.jpg
Current USA 36 Watt T-5.

I will post updates as soon as the stand is done. (Possibly sooner.)


I have a question. Would it be possible to have a yellow tail damsel in the tank with a fire fish, or maybe a clown fish or 2 if I added it last? I would be uprading to a larger tank. So would it be possible?

Tigerbarb
03-08-2010, 02:45 AM
Looks like you have a good setup so far. However, I wouldn't mix Clowns and Damsels in a 10g.

AABatteries
03-08-2010, 03:41 AM
Wouldn't put more than one fish in ther unless its a pair of neon gobbies or something similar. Two clownfish might be okay.

Firefish, damsel, most gobys, or clownfish would all be fine. Should never have more than 2 fish in a marine 10g.

EmmanuelJB
03-13-2010, 12:45 AM
Unfortunatley my stand has not been finished so my aquarium has not been set up. Hopefully it will be finished sometime next week. I just received my pet solutions order I placed on monday.

1 Taam Rio Nano Skimmer/ filter
6 Pack of Nano Skimmer/ Filter Cartridges
1 Marineland Visitherm glass heater
1 Digital Thermometer
1 Container of NLS marine fish food
1 Koralia Nano Power Head

http://i585.photobucket.com/albums/ss300/EmmanuelJB/10%20Gallon%20Nano%20Reef/IMG_4309.jpg
Where would be the best place to put the power head in the tank above. I was thinking either inbetween the filter and skimmer or on the side of the tank (where is now) which place would be best.? Any other suggestions about where I should put it?

http://i585.photobucket.com/albums/ss300/EmmanuelJB/10%20Gallon%20Nano%20Reef/IMG_4288.jpg
That is a picture of the Taam Rio Nano Skimmer next to my aqua clear 30. I was really surprised now much larger the skimmer was.

http://i585.photobucket.com/albums/ss300/EmmanuelJB/10%20Gallon%20Nano%20Reef/IMG_4302.jpg
Anyone who has the taam rio nano skimmer know what this is? It came with the skimmer and I have no idea what it is/ where to put it... The skimmer came with very poor instructions.

Also well im talking about this skimmer I have another question about it. The skimmer is not secure to my tank at all, and I have not idea to get it more secure... Any sugestions? Also I dont even know if I am going to be able to get it skimming, there are so little instructions I dont understand how to adjust things.

http://i585.photobucket.com/albums/ss300/EmmanuelJB/10%20Gallon%20Nano%20Reef/IMG_4306.jpg
Another picture of the taam rio skimmer.

I have one more question about protein skimmers... Should I be skimming while the tank is cycling?

EmmanuelJB
03-13-2010, 12:46 AM
http://i585.photobucket.com/albums/ss300/EmmanuelJB/10%20Gallon%20Nano%20Reef/IMG_4285.jpg
A picture of my new visi-therm glass heater that will likely replace the stealth pro.

The Shield
03-13-2010, 01:04 AM
Here's the exploded view from Rio's website.....

http://www.riopump.net/images/accessories/nano_skimmer_part.jpg

Looks like that angled part is a baffle, maybe a larger one that you can swap out? (in the middle)

EmmanuelJB
03-13-2010, 01:30 AM
Thanks soooo much!! I just finished putting the part on the tank. I still need to firgure out how to get the skimmer to be secure and not wiggle around on the tank.

Now I am off to do my water changes on my other tanks...

travie
03-13-2010, 03:35 AM
Placement of the powerhead will depend on LR and coral placement, I'm assuming you will be getting them.

EmmanuelJB
03-13-2010, 03:40 AM
Placement of the powerhead will depend on LR and coral placement, I'm assuming you will be getting them.
The live rock would be stacked in the middle. Im not really sure where the corals would be though...

travie
03-13-2010, 03:43 AM
Don't worry about the powerhead placement till you get the LR in there. Then try to place it in a position where you have very little dead spots and water is moving along the LR.

EmmanuelJB
03-22-2010, 08:51 PM
Ugggh! I was really hoping my stand would be finished today, but its not. Hopfully by the end of this week. It seems like the tank is NEVER going to be set up. Anyway I just wanted to give a little update.

EmmanuelJB
03-24-2010, 07:55 PM
Update!!
Today we brought the stand home before it was completley finished to make sure it everything was just right for my tanks before the last few things were done to the stand. I put one of the empied tanks on it was perfect. There was event a little extra space which is GOOD!
So here are some pictures-
(To top 2 boards arent in yet, its still needs to be painted black, and a few more supports may be added.)

http://i585.photobucket.com/albums/ss300/EmmanuelJB/10%20Gallon%20Nano%20Reef/IMG_4655.jpg

http://i585.photobucket.com/albums/ss300/EmmanuelJB/10%20Gallon%20Nano%20Reef/IMG_4654.jpg

http://i585.photobucket.com/albums/ss300/EmmanuelJB/10%20Gallon%20Nano%20Reef/IMG_4650.jpg

http://i585.photobucket.com/albums/ss300/EmmanuelJB/10%20Gallon%20Nano%20Reef/IMG_4649.jpg

EmmanuelJB
03-24-2010, 07:57 PM
http://i585.photobucket.com/albums/ss300/EmmanuelJB/10%20Gallon%20Nano%20Reef/IMG_4639.jpg

http://i585.photobucket.com/albums/ss300/EmmanuelJB/10%20Gallon%20Nano%20Reef/IMG_4638.jpg

It will be able to hold 3 tanks.

Also, do you think some extra supports should be added? The person that is making it doesnt think so (She knows how much aquariums weight). I am just wondering what you think....

MCHRKiller
03-24-2010, 09:46 PM
I would add some 2*2s into each corner supporting each shelf for the tanks. Stand looks to have enough room for it and although it may be fine as it is...cant be to careful IMO.

octoxpuss
03-24-2010, 11:23 PM
I would put the SW on the 2nd shelf and bettas on top. BTW i see you got the newest DR. Foster&smith magazine. Ha. Great looking stand. I like how compact it its.

EmmanuelJB
03-27-2010, 12:41 AM
My stand was finally finished! Im setting up the tank right now!! I will post updates with pics sooon!

EmmanuelJB
03-28-2010, 08:11 PM
Ok Well sorry for the delay.
Here are some pictures right after I set it up:

http://i585.photobucket.com/albums/ss300/EmmanuelJB/10%20Gallon%20Nano%20Reef/IMG_4672.jpg
(It was VERY cloudy then.)

http://i585.photobucket.com/albums/ss300/EmmanuelJB/10%20Gallon%20Nano%20Reef/IMG_4665.jpg

http://i585.photobucket.com/albums/ss300/EmmanuelJB/10%20Gallon%20Nano%20Reef/IMG_4668.jpg
(Both tanks that are on the stand)

http://i585.photobucket.com/albums/ss300/EmmanuelJB/10%20Gallon%20Nano%20Reef/IMG_4659.jpg
(Extra Supports We added. They dont seem like they are needed, so I dont know If im going to keep them on there. If I decide to keep them they will eventually be painted.)

EmmanuelJB
03-28-2010, 08:15 PM
http://i585.photobucket.com/albums/ss300/EmmanuelJB/10%20Gallon%20Nano%20Reef/IMG_4667.jpg
(The light didnt work on the tank so we had to hang it from the stand)

Heres the tank today, now that it has had time to clear up for almost 2 days:

http://i585.photobucket.com/albums/ss300/EmmanuelJB/10%20Gallon%20Nano%20Reef/IMG_4707.jpg

http://i585.photobucket.com/albums/ss300/EmmanuelJB/10%20Gallon%20Nano%20Reef/IMG_4703.jpg

http://i585.photobucket.com/albums/ss300/EmmanuelJB/10%20Gallon%20Nano%20Reef/IMG_4704.jpg
(Sorry for the glare)
Somtime I may add a tank up top. Not sure yet.

Anyway I would love to hear your comments!

coachfraley
03-29-2010, 06:18 AM
Nice looking rig! Get some live rock in there!

EmmanuelJB
03-29-2010, 11:33 AM
Nice looking rig! Get some live rock in there!
I will as soon as I get down to the pets stores (3 hours away). How much live rock do you recomend for a 10 gallon?

Miltonic
03-29-2010, 02:05 PM
10 to 15 pounds of live rock is good, the more the better!

labnjab
03-29-2010, 04:50 PM
Looking good so far. Can't wait to see it full of rockthumbs2:

Z Fish Man
03-29-2010, 04:54 PM
Looking good so far. Can't wait to see it full of rockthumbs2:


Same here. I don't know much about SW but i'm keeping an eye on this thread incase i start my own SW in a few months

EmmanuelJB
03-29-2010, 07:35 PM
10 to 15 pounds of live rock is good, the more the better!
Wouldnt more take up more space, reducing the amount of water in such a small tank?

labnjab
03-29-2010, 09:13 PM
Live rock is usually very pourus so it doesnt take up as much water as you would think. I had 50+ pounds in a 29 gallon and it still took 23 or more gallons of water to fill the tank. Since it is the primary filtration for the tank its always good to have more.

EmmanuelJB
04-17-2010, 04:34 PM
Update!
On Monday, I am going to get live rock for the tank... There is still no media in the filter, and I was wondering if today would be a good idea to add the media (purigen, and polyfilters). That would give me a good 48 hours to make sure everythings right. So do you think I should add the media today?

EmmanuelJB
04-17-2010, 07:59 PM
I decided to add the media. I put the purigen in and added as much poly filter that would fit in the aqua clear 30. (about a 4inch by 4 inche piece.)

I have a another question though. What is the 'skim' that a protein skimmer makes supose to look like? I think all that is collecting in the cup of mine is water....

MCHRKiller
04-18-2010, 09:59 AM
Since you have no live rock or livestock in the tank to cause waste the skim isnt going to be much of anything. It could very well be pulling in water and you may need to adjust the collection cup. Skim in itself will vary alot in color depending on nutrient content of your tank and how efficient the skimmer is. My two bakpaks pull out some thin tan skim, my bioload at the moment is very low...but when my LR was curing it was a very pungent thick greenish brown nastyness.

EmmanuelJB
04-18-2010, 01:10 PM
Since you have no live rock or livestock in the tank to cause waste the skim isnt going to be much of anything. It could very well be pulling in water and you may need to adjust the collection cup. Skim in itself will vary alot in color depending on nutrient content of your tank and how efficient the skimmer is. My two bakpaks pull out some thin tan skim, my bioload at the moment is very low...but when my LR was curing it was a very pungent thick greenish brown nastyness.
Thanks for your help! My skimmer is also producing millions of little bubbles, which are clouding the tank! Very frusterating.

Anyway I was wondering if you knew anyway to get the PH up in my aquarium. It is only 7.8 which is low for a saltwater. (I have no idea why it is that low).

Also, what is the Ideal tempurature for a tropical marine tank. At first I had it at 80-81F, then I turned it down and it is staying about 78-79F is that ok? What is the ideal tempurature?

MCHRKiller
04-18-2010, 03:54 PM
You can try some Seachem Marine Buffer, it easily raises the pH but its very hard to overdose it. 7.8 is a touch low but for most fish and hardy corals its still probably not going to cause any problems. Stability in alot of cases is more important IMO. What is your calcium and dKH levels? These can be affecting your pH level.

78*F is a fine temp :22:

EmmanuelJB
04-18-2010, 04:02 PM
You can try some Seachem Marine Buffer, it easily raises the pH but its very hard to overdose it. 7.8 is a touch low but for most fish and hardy corals its still probably not going to cause any problems. Stability in alot of cases is more important IMO. What is your calcium and dKH levels? These can be affecting your pH level.

78*F is a fine temp :22:

Thanks!
Some of the corals im looking at getting eventually are:
Frog Spawn
Xenia
Mushrooms
Button Polyps
Tree Coral

Are those considered hardy?

Would it be best to change the PH?

Also I am currently using oceanic salt, and I want to switch to seachem reef salt once I am out of the oceanic, would this be a good idea?

MCHRKiller
04-18-2010, 04:10 PM
Those coral would be oK with the lower pH, I would start to dose the buffer with WCs now and try to get it up to atleast 8.0. Also get a test kit and find out your other levels. Seachem Reef Salt has a very high calcium level so you will probably not have to dose calcium ever. I do have to dose Reef Alkalinity and the Buffer while using it, and toss in some Reef Plus for the coral. When and if you decide to change salt do so gradually. Once you start running out of salt mix about 1/2 of your saltwater for a WC using the Seachem and do so for a few weeks, then 3/4 of the WC water for a couple of weeks and then once your out of your Oceanic salt it will be fine to go completely to the Seachem. :22:

Northernguy
04-18-2010, 04:12 PM
thumbs2: That looks great!
That tank will fun to watch grow.thumbs2:

EmmanuelJB
04-18-2010, 04:19 PM
I really don't want to have to order the buffer and since we are going driving the 3 hours to get to the pet stores tommorrow I would like to just get a buffer when I go there. So would somthing like this work as well? http://www.petco.com/product/4551/Kent-Marine-Superbuffer-dKH-Buffer-and-KH-Builder.aspx?CoreCat=LN_Shopping_FishSupplies_Reef Care

I know petco doesn't have the seachem buffer, but I will check pet quarters ans the local store for it. But for incase no wheres has it will the link above be ok to use?

Also what do you think will be best, just to stick with the oceanic salt or use the seachem reef salt. Thanks again! You have been extremly helpfull!

MCHRKiller
04-18-2010, 04:37 PM
That Kent is a fine product as well, it also has the added benefit of supporting your dKH.

I ran a very successful reef in the past using Oceanic salt, if it is easier for you to get than the Seachem I would just stick with it. The seachem salt has the benefit of a higher calcium level than most salts, honestly Ive never used another one that when mixed to reef SG would give me a 600 calcium reading. Your coraline will explode with this level, but it can also cause your tank to use more magnesium resulting in unstable pH and low dKH...hence why Im dosing for alkalinity and buffering the pH.

Reefs are honestly just a balancing game and finding appropriate levels that are easy for your to maintain with minimal dosing. You can use the Oceanic and the soft corals still probably wont need calcium support outside what the salt provides with regular WCs. You may still need to buffer your pH and dKH to get desired ranges. With the Seachem Reef salt youll never need to support calcium with those coral, but its IME almost a guarantee youll need to support pH and dKH at somepoint down the road.

EmmanuelJB
04-20-2010, 03:34 AM
Well, I got just over 10 pounds of live rock and it is now in my tank. They didn't have any live rock at Pet Quarters, so I just got it all from petco. I know this was probably a VERY bad idea, but I got 1 fire fish and some blue leg hermit crabs and snails...

Anyway, I will probably post pictures somtime tommorrow.

EmmanuelJB
04-20-2010, 08:35 PM
Some Pictures...

http://i585.photobucket.com/albums/ss300/EmmanuelJB/10%20Gallon%20Nano%20Reef/IMG_4982.jpg

http://i585.photobucket.com/albums/ss300/EmmanuelJB/10%20Gallon%20Nano%20Reef/IMG_4980.jpg
(Before I put the LR in my tank)

http://i585.photobucket.com/albums/ss300/EmmanuelJB/10%20Gallon%20Nano%20Reef/IMG_5001.jpg

http://i585.photobucket.com/albums/ss300/EmmanuelJB/10%20Gallon%20Nano%20Reef/IMG_5002.jpg

EmmanuelJB
04-20-2010, 08:36 PM
http://i585.photobucket.com/albums/ss300/EmmanuelJB/10%20Gallon%20Nano%20Reef/IMG_5000.jpg

http://i585.photobucket.com/albums/ss300/EmmanuelJB/10%20Gallon%20Nano%20Reef/IMG_4997.jpg

I think im going to get 1 more smaller peice eventually.

I will try to post better pictures later...

MCHRKiller
04-20-2010, 09:11 PM
Rock looks much higher quality than I expected from a chain store, looks 10X better than the stuff my LFS gets actually.

Just keep a close watch on parms, the LR contains bacteria colonies anyway if it were fully cured it should be able to handle the slight die off of moving it and the bioload of a lowbio fish like the firefish. Daily water parm checks are however a good idea to do for the next week atleast.

EmmanuelJB
04-20-2010, 09:15 PM
Rock looks much higher quality than I expected from a chain store, looks 10X better than the stuff my LFS gets actually.

Just keep a close watch on parms, the LR contains bacteria colonies anyway if it were fully cured it should be able to handle the slight die off of moving it and the bioload of a lowbio fish like the firefish. Daily water parm checks are however a good idea to do for the next week atleast.

I was told it was fulley cured.

I have some questions if you can answer them...
My skimmer stil doesn't seem like its skimming anything but water... is that a problem?

Is it ok to add stuff like kent super buffer to the tank while there are fish/ inverts in the tank?

MCHRKiller
04-20-2010, 09:27 PM
On your next waterchange start adding the buffer with the water you add back to the tank...add enough to get the water you add back to the tank to your desired levels. This should slowly raise the levels of the tank, if it doesnt seem to make much difference do 1/2 strength doses on the tank until you achieve desired results then do full strength doses to maintain the results. Alot of buffers out there wont over buffer the tank so you should be fine once you reach the desired levels in maintaining them. Just slowly increase to get there.

I am not familiar with your skimmer, perhaps contact the manufacturer or try to adjust the collection cup if you are only getting water.

EmmanuelJB
04-20-2010, 09:35 PM
Thanks!
One more questions (for now) lol.

How do I tell if a SW snail is dead? One of my snails hasn't moved at all since I got it. How can I tell if its dead?

MCHRKiller
04-21-2010, 07:48 AM
If youve only had it a day or two give it a few more days sometimes it takes them awhile to come around and resume activity. After 3-4 days if it has no moved, remove the snail and if there is a smell coming from the shell or it looks empty the snail has died. You could leave the shell for your hermits, they like to switch up homes anyway.

labnjab
04-21-2010, 11:14 AM
I've got some cerith snails that don't move for several days sometimes. I had one not move for 2 weeks. I actually thought it was an empty one that our hermits used until I saw it on the glass one day

EmmanuelJB
04-21-2010, 02:41 PM
If youve only had it a day or two give it a few more days sometimes it takes them awhile to come around and resume activity. After 3-4 days if it has no moved, remove the snail and if there is a smell coming from the shell or it looks empty the snail has died. You could leave the shell for your hermits, they like to switch up homes anyway.
Thanks, but Im pretty sure its dead. When I picked it up It kind of smelled so Im just assuming. I will leave it in there a day or 2 longer, just to be safe though...

EmmanuelJB
04-21-2010, 06:31 PM
I have a quick question for anyone who takes pictures.

Well I keep trying to take pictures of my new snails and hermit crabs and for some reason my camera will not focus on either. Any suggestions?? I have tried to take pics of them at least 20 times and it just wont focus on them (it always does the background instead... I don't know...

MCHRKiller
04-21-2010, 06:35 PM
You should have adequate lighting on the tank, maybe try taking a step back and zooming in on what you want to shoot and going at a slight downward angle.

EmmanuelJB
04-22-2010, 11:15 PM
I have a few more questions...
1. How soon can I start adding corals. I am ordering some fish in the next few weeks and I would like to start out with some white pom pom xenia... Would this be ok to start off with?
2. I forgot the rest of my questions... lol I will ask them later when I remember them.

MCHRKiller
04-22-2010, 11:46 PM
Really for a 10G you shouldnt be adding much else(or really anything) outside of that firefish. I would wait until the tank is atleast 4months old to start stocking coral...it gives time for you to get the hang of keeping it stable and deciding on what your going to keep. Not to mention most SW tanks go through an "algae hell" phase.

EmmanuelJB
04-22-2010, 11:53 PM
Really for a 10G you shouldnt be adding much else(or really anything) outside of that firefish.
I know I shouldn't but.... lol

Anyway I will wait on the corals.

MCHRKiller
04-23-2010, 02:31 AM
Honestly, in a tank this small..."shouldnts" turn into catastrophes really quck. Success and the protection of your investment thus far is very important, these nanos can crash overnight literally. :22:

ippielb
04-23-2010, 02:45 AM
Looks really nice, i want a small saltwater with a clownfish really bad. But can't break down and do it. Glad to see your set up is nice.

EmmanuelJB
04-23-2010, 02:45 AM
Honestly, in a tank this small..."shouldnts" turn into catastrophes really quck. Success and the protection of your investment thus far is very important, these nanos can crash overnight literally. :22:
Ya... This tank is kind of an exirment. Im going to get a few more fish and see how they do and if everything goes well I will upgrade to a larger tank. I will either use my current 10 gallon as a quarntine tank or keep it as a nano reef. Im not sure yet.

EmmanuelJB
04-23-2010, 02:47 AM
Looks really nice, i want a small saltwater with a clownfish really bad. But can't break down and do it. Glad to see your set up is nice.
Thanks! (Trust me, you will end up setting up one lol. I thought I would never set up one and here I am!)

MCHRKiller
04-23-2010, 03:22 AM
Experiments with nanos....rarely if ever work, but it is your tank and cash to blow :22:

EmmanuelJB
04-23-2010, 03:28 AM
Experiments with nanos....rarely if ever work, but it is your tank and cash to blow :22:
Hmmm... Maybe I will skip the experiments and go strait to the larger tank, since I really don't have the cash to blow lol. Who knows what will happen though...

The only thing I know for sure is, I would of never gotten this far without your help! Thanks sooo much Jenn!

MCHRKiller
04-23-2010, 03:59 AM
It would probably be best if you want to keep other fish, to maybe leave this one as a nano reef and maybe do a fowlr or whatever in a larger one and concentrate more on fish. If a tank crashes with corals...you can honestly kiss 100s of dollars goodbye in most cases, better safe than sorry with reefs.

EmmanuelJB
04-23-2010, 04:05 AM
Well I was thinking of maybe getting a few more fish for the 10 gallon, then move them to a larger tank before I add corals. If I do set up a larger marine it will definatley be an FOWLR, definatley no corals.

But, Im not sure what Im going to do yet. I have lots of time to think about it though.

Also, I have another question...
How often do you have to recharge Purigen? How many times can you recharge it?
How often do you have to change Poly Filters? (For the poly filters im pretty sure you told me every 2 weeks, I just want to make sure.)

MCHRKiller
04-23-2010, 04:51 AM
Recharge the Purigen once it visibly turns a slighty darker tan that it is normally. You are supposed to be abe to recharge it indefinatly. I never recharge I just replace it...lot of hassle for $6.

Change your polyfilters also when they look dirty, 2-4 weeks works out well...I wouldnt let them go more than a month without a change.

EmmanuelJB
04-25-2010, 08:59 PM
My PH is now about 8.2. Should I try to raise it a bit more, or is that ok? Is it possible to overdose on things like Kent Marine buffer, or when you reach somthing like 8.3, it just wont disolve?

kaybee
04-26-2010, 04:38 AM
How many times can you recharge it?

Purigen loses some of its effectiveness with each recharge, and would probably need to be replaced after 10-15 regenerations or less.

EmmanuelJB
05-03-2010, 08:56 PM
Purigen loses some of its effectiveness with each recharge, and would probably need to be replaced after 10-15 regenerations or less.
Ok, I will probably just replace it each time then...

*Update*
Everything is still going very well, and I will probably add some new pictures later!

EmmanuelJB
05-04-2010, 02:47 AM
Just a Few different pictures...

http://i585.photobucket.com/albums/ss300/EmmanuelJB/10%20Gallon%20Nano%20Reef/IMG_5225.jpg

http://i585.photobucket.com/albums/ss300/EmmanuelJB/10%20Gallon%20Nano%20Reef/IMG_5230.jpg

http://i585.photobucket.com/albums/ss300/EmmanuelJB/10%20Gallon%20Nano%20Reef/IMG_5263.jpg

http://i585.photobucket.com/albums/ss300/EmmanuelJB/10%20Gallon%20Nano%20Reef/IMG_5259.jpg

EmmanuelJB
05-04-2010, 02:49 AM
http://i585.photobucket.com/albums/ss300/EmmanuelJB/10%20Gallon%20Nano%20Reef/IMG_5234.jpg

http://i585.photobucket.com/albums/ss300/EmmanuelJB/10%20Gallon%20Nano%20Reef/IMG_5232.jpg

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A birstle worm... Some people think they are good some people think they are bad... Which are they? If they are bad how do you get rid of them? Will they take over a tank?

cocoa_pleco
05-04-2010, 04:11 AM
99% of bristleworms are harmless, rarely will you get one that attacks fish/corals

labnjab
05-04-2010, 05:50 PM
99% of bristleworms are harmless, rarely will you get one that attacks fish/corals

+1 They are a great part of your cuc. Our coral banded shrimp ate all of ours except for the ones in the sump.

The ones you want to worry about are large fireworms. They look similar to bristle worms but get much bigger and pack a bad sting. A friend of a friend got stung a few years ago and to this day doesn't have all the feeling back in his hand

cocoa_pleco
05-05-2010, 03:37 AM
i got stung in my left hand, tried the vinegar dip but whenever i put pressure on my thumb it would sting extremely bad, just got sick of it and hacked off some skin and the pain quit

EmmanuelJB
05-15-2010, 02:11 AM
YAHHHHHH!!! Its my 2,000 post!!!!!!!!!! lol

Anyway, I got a Scarlet Skunk cleaner shrimp yesterday, and he is doing very well! I was going to get a tree coral, but decided to wait a bit longer before I started corals.

I have some pictures I will definatley post later, sadly none of the Cleaner shrimp, but hopefully I will get a few of him soon...

Also I have a question. While I was in the area getting my shrimp, I stopped and petco, and got some frozen foods. Im not too familiar with them and Im not really sure how to feed it. Is it suppose to completly thaw? I got Sanfrancisco Bay Brand, Brine Shrimp. Its says for all saltwater and freshwater fish, so I was thinking of feeding some to my FW Angels, Bettas, and Rams also... Would that be a good idea?

coachfraley
05-15-2010, 04:38 AM
brine shrimp would work fine, but it is not as nutritional as mysis.

I break up the cubes, drop a piece in a little cup with fresh water and let it dissolve, then strain out the liquid with a brine shrimp net. If you do it that way, none of the nasty liquid makes it into your tank.

EmmanuelJB
05-15-2010, 04:41 AM
brine shrimp would work fine, but it is not as nutritional as mysis.

I break up the cubes, drop a piece in a little cup with fresh water and let it dissolve, then strain out the liquid with a brine shrimp net. If you do it that way, none of the nasty liquid makes it into your tank.
Ok Thanks!! I was just wondering, is there any risk og fish getting diseases with frozen food?

coachfraley
05-15-2010, 05:18 AM
Not that I have heard of.

EmmanuelJB
05-16-2010, 01:57 AM
Well I have some bad news... Some of you may of seen another thread I started about my Fire Fish not eating... Well he died :scry: !

Anyway I have a few pictures, I will post in a sec.

EmmanuelJB
05-16-2010, 02:09 AM
http://i585.photobucket.com/albums/ss300/EmmanuelJB/10%20Gallon%20Nano%20Reef/IMG_0066.jpg

http://i585.photobucket.com/albums/ss300/EmmanuelJB/10%20Gallon%20Nano%20Reef/IMG_0076.jpg

http://i585.photobucket.com/albums/ss300/EmmanuelJB/10%20Gallon%20Nano%20Reef/IMG_0091.jpg

http://i585.photobucket.com/albums/ss300/EmmanuelJB/10%20Gallon%20Nano%20Reef/IMG_0018.jpg

EmmanuelJB
05-16-2010, 02:10 AM
http://i585.photobucket.com/albums/ss300/EmmanuelJB/10%20Gallon%20Nano%20Reef/IMG_0181.jpg

http://i585.photobucket.com/albums/ss300/EmmanuelJB/10%20Gallon%20Nano%20Reef/IMG_0190.jpg

http://i585.photobucket.com/albums/ss300/EmmanuelJB/10%20Gallon%20Nano%20Reef/IMG_0191.jpg

http://i585.photobucket.com/albums/ss300/EmmanuelJB/10%20Gallon%20Nano%20Reef/IMG_0193.jpg

Sasquatch
05-16-2010, 12:09 PM
Sorry to hear about the firefish. The rest of the tank looks good though, keep at it!

EmmanuelJB
05-17-2010, 11:26 AM
I know its kind of soon, but I might be getting a coral in a couple of days. The only reason is because im ordering from live aquaria today and who knows how long it will be until I order from there again so I want to get one of the corals I know I wont be able to get the pet store. I have done a couple water changes so I know how things work... Do you think its WAY too soon? Live Aquaria guarentees the corals for 30 days so if somthing goes wrong it wouldn't really be much of a loss.

Anyway, I have a video of my shrimp I will post on here later today. I was also wondering, would a fire shrimp be ok with that cleaner shrimp in my tank? Or would it be better to get another cleaner shrimp if I wanted another shrimp? Im pretty sure 1 shrimp is enough for a 10 gallon but, if I do have room...

labnjab
05-17-2010, 11:32 AM
I think its still a little too early. They won't guarantee coral that die from a young tank. I would wait another month at least. Things can go south fast in saltwater, especially in a 10 gallon. One day its great and then next it could crash with out reason. Not saying yours will because your doing things right so far, but its something to keep in mind

EmmanuelJB
05-17-2010, 07:29 PM
I think its still a little too early. They won't guarantee coral that die from a young tank. I would wait another month at least. Things can go south fast in saltwater, especially in a 10 gallon. One day its great and then next it could crash with out reason. Not saying yours will because your doing things right so far, but its something to keep in mind
I messed up! I completly forgot I asked about coral, and I ordered some white pom pom xenia! I would of never ordered it if I saw this post. I guess I will just see how things go. $ 30.00 wouldnt be the biggest loss in the world....

EmmanuelJB
05-17-2010, 09:44 PM
Here is the video of the shrimp I was talking about before: http://s585.photobucket.com/albums/ss300/EmmanuelJB/10%20Gallon%20Nano%20Reef/?action=view&current=MVI_0242.flv

I was also curious, I bought some playtex rubber gloves from walmart, are they safe to use in my tank?

EmmanuelJB
05-18-2010, 05:56 PM
I have another question.
I have never been 100% sure how often and how much to take out when im doing a water change. I was removing 2 gallons a week, and then last water change I decided to go with 1 gallon a week... What should I do? Today I am definatley doing a 2 gallon water change today because my live aquaria order is coming tommorow. Now I am thinking 1.5-2 gallons weekly or 1-1.5 gallons twice weekly. Anyway please tell me what you think.

Chris5150
05-18-2010, 06:53 PM
2 gallons weekly will benefit you more than 1 gallon 2 times a week. With your live rock and sand you probably have 8 gallons of water in the tank. 25% a week is more than adequate.

EmmanuelJB
05-19-2010, 09:04 PM
I recieved my live aquaria package and aclimated the fish. I will post pics soon!

I have a question... My WHITE pom pom xenia definatly isnt white... Will it turn white once it is less stressed?

EmmanuelJB
05-22-2010, 04:07 PM
With this update I wanted to post pictures but unfortunatly I still don't have any.

Anyway, heres what I got for this tank from my live aquaria order:
1 Tank Raised Occellaris Clown Fish
1 Royal Gramma Basslet
4 Margarita Snails (Ordered 3, but they sent 4)
1 White pom pom Xenia

I know its a bit much but what ever...

Anyway I have a few questions....
1. My Royal Gramma wan't eat anything but frozen foods... What do I do? He/ She did go after a pellet today, for the first time since I got it, but didn't eat it.

2. How do I know if my coral is healthy?

3. I am probably going to order from foster and smith aquatics soon, and want to get some food for my coral, what do I get? I know I want to get some Iodine, but not sure what else.

4. I am probably going to switch to seachem salt, does the reef salt have any benifit, over the regular salt? If it does I don't mind paying a few extra dollars...

Well thats it for now. I will try to get some pictures added later!!

kaybee
05-22-2010, 06:15 PM
1. You can try gradually weaning it off of frozen to pellets (feed both food types then gradually decrease the quantity of frozen food.

2. (Xenia) The stalk will appear somewhat rigid (like a stalk of brocolli) and the polyps will be fully expanded. If it's the pulsating type, the polyps will pulse as well. It will also, in time, increase in number and spread. What color are your xenia? They can be white, off-white, tan or light grayish.

3. Xenia doesn't require feeding and will absorb dissolved nutrients from the water column. The iodine present in your salt mix is enough to sustain it. Additional iodine dosing not required. Xenia is making a move to take over my tank (it's growing quite weed-like) and I've never dosed iodine.

4. Reef salts purportedly have increased levels of trace elements and higher levels of calcium. The move to reef salts, in my opinion, is not necessary unless you have stony corals in the tank.

EmmanuelJB
05-22-2010, 06:28 PM
1. You can try gradually weaning it off of frozen to pellets (feed both food types then gradually decrease the quantity of frozen food.

2. (Xenia) The stalk will appear somewhat rigid (like a stalk of brocolli) and the polyps will be fully expanded. If it's the pulsating type, the polyps will pulse as well. It will also, in time, increase in number and spread. What color are your xenia? They can be white, off-white, tan or light grayish.

3. Xenia doesn't require feeding and will absorb dissolved nutrients from the water column. The iodine present in your salt mix is enough to sustain it. Additional iodine dosing not required. Xenia is making a move to take over my tank (it's growing quite weed-like) and I've never dosed iodine.

4. Reef salts purportedly have increased levels of trace elements and higher levels of calcium. The move to reef salts, in my opinion, is not necessary unless you have stony corals in the tank.

Ok thanks!!
The Xenia was suppose to be white, but its not and im disapointed about it... Its a light brownish purplish color.

I am planning on a adding frogspawn which is a stony coral right?

EmmanuelJB
05-23-2010, 09:22 PM
I just looked at my tank and I noticed the xenia was completly closed up. Would the tempurature of the tank cause this? Today it was pretty hot here and the tank is over 83 Degrees right now... What can I do? Should it survive?

EmmanuelJB
05-23-2010, 09:32 PM
Heres the Coral Before When it was out:

http://i585.photobucket.com/albums/ss300/EmmanuelJB/10%20Gallon%20Nano%20Reef/IMG_0336.jpg

http://i585.photobucket.com/albums/ss300/EmmanuelJB/10%20Gallon%20Nano%20Reef/IMG_0335.jpg

http://i585.photobucket.com/albums/ss300/EmmanuelJB/10%20Gallon%20Nano%20Reef/IMG_0289.jpg

http://i585.photobucket.com/albums/ss300/EmmanuelJB/10%20Gallon%20Nano%20Reef/IMG_0287.jpg

EmmanuelJB
05-23-2010, 09:33 PM
And now thats its closed up:

http://i585.photobucket.com/albums/ss300/EmmanuelJB/10%20Gallon%20Nano%20Reef/IMG_0343.jpg

http://i585.photobucket.com/albums/ss300/EmmanuelJB/10%20Gallon%20Nano%20Reef/IMG_0341.jpg

It seems like it is starting to open up, I was just wondering what would of caused it to close in the first place.

EmmanuelJB
05-23-2010, 10:50 PM
It opened up but now its completly closed again... This can't be good!

kaybee
05-24-2010, 12:42 AM
There could be a number of factors.

It came from one tank, got shipped and it now in a new tank. It could still be affected from the stress (plus period of no light while shipped). Xenia are very hardy but perhaps are sensitive to the shipping process. How many days did it take for it to get to you from liveaquaria?

What is the salinity, alkalinity and pH of your tank water?

The constriction of your xenia is making it look darker than it normally should be (kind of like how some balloons are darker when deflated but are lighter in color when fully inflated).

It is normal for xenia to constrict, sometimes they do that on a near daily basis. In your case, it is still in an adjustment phase. I wouldn't worry about it just yet or get alarmed unless they appear droopy or a meltdown occurs.

It is attached to anything or is the mass of the xenia obscuring the rock it is on? If it is unattached you may want to place it near live rock so it can attach to something (be advised that when it is at full health it can spread like weeds so you may want it adjacent to live rock that is separated from your other rocks.

As for your other question, yes, frogspawn is a stony coral.

EmmanuelJB
05-24-2010, 01:03 AM
It was in the bag a little of 24 hours. It is on a ceramic like thing.

One thing I did notice once is one of my blue leg hermit crab walking all over it, which made it close up. I did notice a hermit crab the last 2 times though...

Do I need reef salt for frogspawn?

kaybee
05-24-2010, 02:11 AM
Possibly. Reef salt and/or additives unless the salt you're currently using provides all the calcium and carbonates a frogspawn will require.

What is the pH, kH, salinity and calcium levels of your tank water?

EmmanuelJB
05-24-2010, 02:29 AM
Possibly. Reef salt and/or additives unless the salt you're currently using provides all the calcium and carbonates a frogspawn will require.

What is the pH, kH, salinity and calcium levels of your tank water?

The Salinity is just over 1.023. To be honest I have no idea what the kH or calcium levels are because I have no idea what to test them with and I tested the pH with an API SW test kit, and it doesn't even show up as a color on the color sheet. The closest color it matches to is 8.2 so maybe its that... What testing kit do you recomend for SW ph? How do I test calcium/ KH levels?

labnjab
05-24-2010, 11:10 AM
Are you using the api high range ph kit? I use a ph probe to test our ph but I was using the api high range kit. I also use the api calcium test and alkalinity test kits

I've found xenia to be hit or miss. For some people it grows like a weed and others it hardly grows at all. I've had it do both, when we first got our it didn't grow at all. Then it took off like a weed and went from 2 heads to 20 in a few months. Then it died back for no reason down to 2 or 3 heads. Currently we have 4 or 5 heads of it. I think yours is ok. I've learned that they will sometimes close for a few days to a week for no reason then open back.

I personally wouldn't invest in "Reef Salts". Its been proven that they really aren't worth the extra money you pay for them. You can cheaply and easily make calcium, and alk buffers yourself. You can make a calcium buffer out of dow flake and alkalinity buffer out of baking soda. http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2006-02/rhf/index.php In a small tank dripping kalkwasser would keep up with the demand as well

EmmanuelJB
05-24-2010, 11:43 AM
Ok Thanks!!

Im just curious, What do you do with the extra xenia if it goes out of control? Its only a 10 gallon, and coral are living animals, so its not just like you can remove them and throw them away right?

labnjab
05-24-2010, 02:10 PM
If I can't find someone locally to take them then I just put the excess in the compost pile or trash can. Thats what most people do.

EmmanuelJB
05-24-2010, 11:14 PM
Uggghh! This aquarium is 86F! Will this have any negative affects?? There isn't much I can do unless I put some ice in there or somthing. Should I do that?

kaybee
05-25-2010, 12:09 AM
86F is definately on the high side. You may want to try floating plastiic containers containing ice in the tank and monitor the temperature (rather than directly adding ice into the tank).

Temperature management in smaller tanks a somewhat more challenging that sytems with greater volume. In reef tanks stability is key.

I'm not sure if fans are an option (they will cool but also increase the evaporation rate and in a 10gal tank that will create salinity flucuations).

EmmanuelJB
05-25-2010, 12:53 AM
The temp has gone down a half a degree lol...

Anyway I just noticed that one of my blue leg crabs was walking all over the xenia, and it is now all closed up! GRRRRR!!!

Chris5150
05-25-2010, 09:30 PM
Why is the temperature so high? Also if it gets around 90 you will want to start floating ice cubes. What I would do is make some ice cubes out of RO water and put them in your sump/filter.

EmmanuelJB
05-25-2010, 09:40 PM
Why is the temperature so high? Also if it gets around 90 you will want to start floating ice cubes. What I would do is make some ice cubes out of RO water and put them in your sump/filter.
Because it has been REALLY hot here lately...

Chris5150
05-25-2010, 09:52 PM
RO ice cubes are the way to go. They won't really affect salinity but they will cool the tank down. Put them in your filter or sump so they affect the tank equally.

labnjab
05-26-2010, 04:18 PM
I would invest in an auto top off and a high velocity fan. This is our 1st summer with our 75 gallon and it got to 83 degrees Monday, even with a box fan blowing across the top. We bought a high velocity fan monday night to blow across the top and used the box fan to push warm air out of the room and the temp dropped back down 80 in 3 or 4 hours and has stayed there. The high velocity fan moves a ton of air and even makes mini waves on the surface of the tank.

The only downside is tons of evaporation. Thats why I recommended an auto top off as well as the fan, which is a good investment for any reef to keep salinity stable. The evaporation rate has nearly tripled since adding the high velocity fan. We've gone through almost 5 gallons in 2 days top off but at least the tank temp is cool and stable. Our ATO is running every 2-3 minutes

EmmanuelJB
06-15-2010, 04:33 AM
Today, I got a Sixline Wrasse, and a Zooanthid coral. I will definatly have pictures of the coral later. I may have some of the wrasse if I can get some.

Total Fish:
1 O. Clown Fish
1 Royal Gramma
1 Sixline Wrasse

The Wrasse is definatly the last fish unless somthing dies. I was thinking about getting a smaller goby but I figured 4 fish would be WAY too much.

Total Coral:
Pulsing Xenia
Zooantids

I am planning on getting some mushrooms, Frogspawn, Maybe some button polyps, and maybe some tree coral.

MCHRKiller
06-15-2010, 04:51 AM
You have almost as many fish in a 10G as I do a 55G, definatly not going to be good long term.

EmmanuelJB
06-15-2010, 05:16 AM
You have almost as many fish in a 10G as I do a 55G, definatly not going to be good long term.
I will admit my tank is pretty overstocked, but I don't think it was too bad...

MCHRKiller
06-15-2010, 05:30 AM
Perhaps not in FW terms of stocking the size of these fish compared to gallons. Marine are very very different, you find it best to keep bioloads low to keep things stable. In tanks this small it is only adviseable to go with *1* small fish under 3". The reason for this being is that nano reefs are very unstable, and you are really walking a very fine line with them at all times. You need vigilance and dedication to them combined with very low stocking levels to equal long term success. Marine fish are also more territorial than FW fish, and they have greater needs for pristine water than FW fish. Also the mind set of "this is the last fish until something dies" is also not going to help the situation...muchless fathoming adding a 4th fish to a 10G. I am not trying to be a buzz kill or mean, but this tank is destined to fail unless you get your stocking under control soon.

EmmanuelJB
06-15-2010, 05:34 AM
Perhaps not in FW terms of stocking the size of these fish compared to gallons. Marine are very very different, you find it best to keep bioloads low to keep things stable. In tanks this small it is only adviseable to go with *1* small fish under 3". The reason for this being is that nano reefs are very unstable, and you are really walking a very fine line with them at all times. You need vigilance and dedication to them combined with very low stocking levels to equal long term success. Marine fish are also more territorial than FW fish, and they have greater needs for pristine water than FW fish. Also the mind set of "this is the last fish until something dies" is also not going to help the situation...muchless fathoming adding a 4th fish to a 10G. I am not trying to be a buzz kill or mean, but this tank is destined to fail unless you get your stocking under control soon.
I said unless, not until. I am definatly not planning on anything dying.

MCHRKiller
06-15-2010, 05:35 AM
Then you may want to alter your tactics thus far...research is your friend :11:

EmmanuelJB
06-15-2010, 10:24 PM
One thing I have learned since starting saltwater aquariums is everyones opinion is different. Especially about nano's. I have discussed 10 gallon nano reefs with ALOT of people, and some say no SW fish could live in a 10 gallon, some say 1 some say 2... I was actually talking to a guy yesterday that has had aquariums (including reefs) for over 40 years, and he said 4-5 fish would do ok, if I picked the right fish.

My opinion is that 2 small fish that will get along is fully stocked 10 gallon. I will say that I do think 3 fish is a bit much, but I think it is doable.

By the way I have researched TONS, and continue to daily.

MCHRKiller
06-15-2010, 11:48 PM
Thing with research online is everyone has an opinion, but few back up that opinion with facts. Atleast in credible marine books these opinions normally have to be credited by factual information as well. Be careful who you listen to. Success is measured in years, not months...few nano reefs survive their first year even with very low stock levels. But it is your investment not mine to do as you will with it :22:

EmmanuelJB
06-17-2010, 03:05 AM
Pics of the new zooanthids!

http://i585.photobucket.com/albums/ss300/EmmanuelJB/10%20Gallon%20Nano%20Reef/IMG_1061.jpg

http://i585.photobucket.com/albums/ss300/EmmanuelJB/10%20Gallon%20Nano%20Reef/IMG_1050.jpg

http://i585.photobucket.com/albums/ss300/EmmanuelJB/10%20Gallon%20Nano%20Reef/IMG_1049.jpg

EmmanuelJB
06-18-2010, 02:36 AM
I have a couple questions....
1. Should the peice of rock with the zooanthids on it some how be secured to the live rock it sits on?

2. Is there a difference between a Sixline Wrasse, and a Sixline Wrasse from Hawaii? Because at the place I got my sixline wrasse they are usually a regular price of $14.00, but the one they had there was a Sixline wrasse from Hawaii, and it was a regular price of $44.00, for some reason...

Kazenouta
06-18-2010, 02:42 AM
Sorry I can't answer your SW questions JB. I just wanted to say that the new additions are really stunning. Best of luck :22:

EmmanuelJB
06-18-2010, 03:47 AM
Thanks, Kazenouta!!

Spardas
06-18-2010, 05:15 AM
I have a couple questions....
1. Should the peice of rock with the zooanthids on it some how be secured to the live rock it sits on?

2. Is there a difference between a Sixline Wrasse, and a Sixline Wrasse from Hawaii? Because at the place I got my sixline wrasse they are usually a regular price of $14.00, but the one they had there was a Sixline wrasse from Hawaii, and it was a regular price of $44.00, for some reason...

1) If it's stable and doesn't look like it fall, you can just leave it. But a little aquarium epoxy wouldn't hurt. Once settled in, they'll start populating to other rocks.

2) Was there a difference in size? A sixline wrasse is a sixline wrasse in any part of the ocean, lol.

EmmanuelJB
06-18-2010, 05:19 AM
1) If it's stable and doesn't look like it fall, you can just leave it. But a little aquarium epoxy wouldn't hurt. Once settled in, they'll start populating to other rocks.

2) Was there a difference in size? A sixline wrasse is a sixline wrasse in any part of the ocean, lol.
The coral is stable on the rock. I am just a little worried one of the fish/ inverts, would knock it off.

As for the sixline wrasse, it seems average sized, and looked the same as any other sixline...

Spardas
06-18-2010, 05:28 AM
http://www.marinedepot.com/miscellaneous_epoxy-ap.html

Take your pick or look for them in your LFS. One stick will last a long time for a 10 gallon.

EmmanuelJB
06-18-2010, 04:24 PM
http://www.marinedepot.com/miscellaneous_epoxy-ap.html

Take your pick or look for them in your LFS. One stick will last a long time for a 10 gallon.
Ok, thanks for your help!

EmmanuelJB
06-19-2010, 07:29 PM
I took a video of my tank so everyone could see the fish since I cant get a good pic of them. My camera doesnt take good video, so sorry for the bad quality.

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(At the end there is a stocking list.)

EmmanuelJB
06-20-2010, 04:51 AM
Ugghh... My tank is over heating again!

Its 86F...

tyxpx
06-21-2010, 06:07 AM
What do you do to cool it? I had the same problem with my 20 gallon. I vent it with the glass top and it works wonders. I just go through about 1/2 gallon a day of water topping it off...

EmmanuelJB
06-24-2010, 01:11 AM
What do you do to cool it? I had the same problem with my 20 gallon. I vent it with the glass top and it works wonders. I just go through about 1/2 gallon a day of water topping it off...
It was just really hot that day. If the tank gets warm like that again Im going to float a frozen bottle of water in the tank.

Anyway. I am switching my salt from oceanic to Seachem Reef. Oceanic isnt bad, I just need somthing that will keep the pH higher, and I wanted the reef salt for my corals. (I know reef salt isnt necassary).

EmmanuelJB
06-25-2010, 05:32 PM
I got the Seachem Reef Salt Today. How should I switch over to the seachem?

labnjab
06-28-2010, 11:20 AM
Do it with your water change water, start with 3/4ths your old salt, 1/4 your new salt for a few weeks and increase it week by week.

EmmanuelJB
08-01-2010, 05:15 AM
Ok so I havent updated in a while and have bad news to report.

So here it goes...
My sixline wrasse jumped of my tank, and I found him dead, a few hours later dried up on the floor.... Well after this all h*ll broke loose. I am walking by my tank and notice my heater is on. Well every time my heater is on I check the temp just to see... Well the tank was 90F. Something went wrong with my heater, which I still have not had the time to replace!! (Don't Worry the room stays around 75-78F, so everything should be fine for the time being). Anyway so a little bit after my heater went, I notice white spots on my 2 fish. YUP they have ich! Whether its was the change in temperature, the change in salt, or the over crowding that caused it I have no idea, but I will be the first to say that JEN was right about my tank lol. Anyway, I am hoping I don't loose the 2 fish I have but it doesnt look good. If I do loose the 2 fish I have I will eventually replace them with ONE fish. Not exactly sure what that fish will be yet. For the time being I am just going to wait, then focus more on the corals.

So thats whats been going on with the 10 gallon nano.