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kenyth
04-13-2007, 05:00 PM
What a great looking fish! They just dropped the premier price on them and now they are considered a fancy Danio, so the prices are reasonable. Anyway they add a big splash of color to the tank. I highly recommend them!

jeffs99dime
04-13-2007, 05:03 PM
you know they're genetically altered though, right?

kenyth
04-13-2007, 06:30 PM
you know they're genetically altered though, right?


So I read. The originals were modified as eggs, so no cruelty there. The product breeds true, so they are spawned like any other fish.

As long as there's no cruelty involved (like dyed fish), it doesn't bug me.

I take it you don't like the genetic alteration then?

jeffs99dime
04-13-2007, 09:57 PM
So I read. The originals were modified as eggs, so no cruelty there. The product breeds true, so they are spawned like any other fish.

As long as there's no cruelty involved (like dyed fish), it doesn't bug me.

I take it you don't like the genetic alteration then?


correct. i just wanted to point that fact out to you is all, in case you did not know about it. i was not trying to rain on your parade or antything like that.--jeff

Lady Hobbs
04-13-2007, 10:41 PM
So I read. The originals were modified as eggs, so no cruelty there. The product breeds true, so they are spawned like any other fish.

As long as there's no cruelty involved (like dyed fish), it doesn't bug me.

I take it you don't like the genetic alteration then?

Same way I feel about the blood parrot. Two odd ball cichlids spawn and we have blood parrots. I have no adverse feelings about them either.

Nautilus291
04-14-2007, 02:19 AM
If people have problems with blood parrets then they should have problems with almost any kind of fancy goldfish.

They were all breed that way......way back in ancient china days or even before.

Nautilus291
04-14-2007, 02:21 AM
I forgot to finish.

I feel sorry for both the fancy goldfish and the bloodparrets. IF you watch them they both just seem to have a hard time just swimming around there bodys dont seem to be made to swim. THey have to wiggle all over the place just to move. I guess thats what happens when people mess with genetics.

Rue
04-14-2007, 03:39 AM
I dunno...

...if an animal is bred as a pet...if it can live well...and is looked after properly...I have no issues with selective breeding...

Fancy goldfish are one of the oldest 'domesticated' pet animals...what I don't like is to see them abused...kept in too small enclosures...or too hot...or overfed...etc.

Same with the blood parrot...I've been watching them...don't know if I like them or not...but they appear to be very intelligent and engaging...they swim well enough...they eat well enough...and they can't 'accidentally' breed themselves...so they have a built-in control...

Drumachine09
04-14-2007, 03:50 AM
I dunno...

...if an animal is bred as a pet...if it can live well...and is looked after properly...I have no issues with selective breeding...

Fancy goldfish are one of the oldest 'domesticated' pet animals...what I don't like is to see them abused...kept in too small enclosures...or too hot...or overfed...etc.

Same with the blood parrot...I've been watching them...don't know if I like them or not...but they appear to be very intelligent and engaging...they swim well enough...they eat well enough...and they can't 'accidentally' breed themselves...so they have a built-in control...


The jellybean cichlids are cruel though. They dip them in pastel dyes. Not my cup of tea. not at all.

Nautilus291
04-14-2007, 10:34 AM
they cant even close there mouths! Try keeping your mouth open everyday for a week idk if you would like that lol.

I dont really have a problem with them but I think that there bodies just arnt made to live a good life. If you watch the fancey goldfish they have to waddle all around.

But I wont lie myself I think they look pretty cool.

kenyth
04-14-2007, 04:39 PM
correct. i just wanted to point that fact out to you is all, in case you did not know about it. i was not trying to rain on your parade or antything like that.--jeff


No problem. You are entitled to your feelings on the subject. It is certainly a point of contention for many, as is all genetic modification of animals, including selective breeding. We all draw our lines somewhere. I have mixed feelings on the subject myself, so I draw the line at cruelty. The problem is that many of the animals we use for food are selectively bred and kept in what we would consider cruel conditions. The only %100 answer is to become vegan and not keep pets at all. Not exactly a realistic solution.

roulfi004
05-02-2007, 09:14 AM
Well, as long as the fish are not getting difficult time surviving, its fine with me

Otherwise, Ive seen some half-inch red danio babies, they looked awsome. But the woman at the shop didnt want to give them to me because they were too difficult to catch! :hmm3grin2orange: (they had a few in a planted aquaruim with some Discus, and didnt want to risk harming the 50$ fish!)

Do they really "glow in the dark"?

Lady Hobbs
05-02-2007, 02:07 PM
I don't know as the wiggle pattern when they swim is due to genetic breeding as much as it's the type of fish that are bred to get parrots. I think what bothers me the most is not knowing what the parents are which would give an idea as to how aggessive they may get. Some claim their parrot is peaceful and gets along with most everything. Others have very aggressive ones.

Below are what is "believed" to be parents but it's a trade secret.

Midas Cichlid (http://www.geocities.com/parrotcichlid/images/quetzal/Cichlasoma_citrinellum.jpg)
(Cichlasoma citrinellum)
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Redhead Cichlid (http://www.geocities.com/parrotcichlid/images/quetzal/Cichliasoma_synspilum.jpg)
(Cichliasoma synspilum)

Red Devil (http://www.geocities.com/parrotcichlid/red_devil.html)
(cichlasoma erythraeum)
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Gold Severum (http://www.geocities.com/parrotcichlid/sevrum.html)
(Cichlasoma severum)

Red Devil (http://www.geocities.com/parrotcichlid/red_devil.html)
(cichlasoma erythraeum)
+
Green Severum (http://www.geocities.com/parrotcichlid/sevrum.html)
(Cichlasoma severum)
Red Devil (http://www.geocities.com/parrotcichlid/red_devil.html)
(cichlasoma erythraeum)
+
Quetzel (http://www.geocities.com/parrotcichlid/quetzel.html)
(cichlasoma synspilum)
Red Devil (http://www.geocities.com/parrotcichlid/red_devil.html)
(cichlasoma erythraeum)
+
Gold Severum (http://www.geocities.com/parrotcichlid/sevrum.html)
(Cichlasoma severum)
+
Cichlasoma "theraps"
fenestratum

?????



You also never know what color they will be at maturity. They do tend to live long lives, eat and swim well so apparently do OK. We certainly have enough dogs out there that are inter-breed with others to get off breeds.

Incredulous_Ed
05-02-2007, 07:49 PM
Isn't there some type of discus that is bred without a pair of finsd so they can hardly swim?

glo light danios are illeagal here in california

Wallyfish
05-08-2007, 12:29 AM
Glofish are very hardy and colorful fish. The red ones are so common though. If you really want a unique tank, the green and orange ones are much harder to find. I saw 2 greens for the first time at a small pet store 2 weeks ago. I upgraded my lighting to a powerglo flourescent light and it really brought out the color much better than a standard flourescent light.