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William
06-16-2009, 10:08 PM
I have noticed an unfortunate trend here on AC where beginners and new members get lectured about their setups rather then given advice on how to improve the situation. This is very sad as this can turn them of the forum and prevent them from learning the things they could learn here, the things they need to learn to successfully keep healthy fish. Sure many come her with crazy setups, uncycled tanks etc but they don’t know better and coming here is a sign that they want to learn to become better fish keepers. Yes they should have learned before they got the fish but they didn’t, at least they are trying to rectify that mistake when they come to us. We shouldn’t lecture them when they try to do the right thing by coming here and learn to become responsible fish keepers. They fact that they try to do the right thing makes it very sad to see them get scorned for past mistakes

If a beginner come her with a terrible setup including (as an example) Oscars in a 10 gallon we shouldn’t lecture them about it or belittle them. We should be supportive and help them setup a thriving aquarium while of course, in a friendly manner, telling them that Oscars really are not suitable to kept in their aquarium as they grow to large.

It is one thing to lecture members who simply don’t listen to advice but those who come here to get advice shouldn’t get lectured right from the start for earlier mistake. This forum is for everyone from absolute beginners to seasoned experts and everyone in between. Everyone should feel at home here and there really is nothing like a stupid question. I would like to ask everyone to remember to treat beginners with courtesy and support even if they have mad some mistakes before getting here. By being supportive we can help them get healthy well setup aquariums, by lecturing them we will only drive them away from the forum and if we are very unlucky from the wonderful world of fish keeping.

I understand that it can be hard to stay supportive when one encounters the 100th Oscar in a 10 gallon tank but we really have to try. In many cases the stocking can be the result of poor advice at the LFS (which beginners naturally but unfortunately trust) and we have to give better advice in a more supportive environment.

I could go on about this topic for a long time but I am going to stop here and simply ask all members to remember to always be supportive and courteous to the beginners that so badly need our help, not our scorn.

Drumachine09
06-16-2009, 10:10 PM
Well put.10char

Dave66
06-16-2009, 10:12 PM
Quite well said. There's no reason not to be polite in posts.

Dave

Goodbye
06-16-2009, 10:14 PM
I agree, William!!!

Owlbehere
06-16-2009, 10:20 PM
Well said William, I agree totally!

Gayle
06-16-2009, 10:23 PM
Well said. After all they did ask for our HELP.

I guess that means I will have to put my inner bully back in the drawer. LOL

frank_zappa
06-16-2009, 10:42 PM
well said, william.

GeneralGoldeneye
06-17-2009, 01:03 AM
thumbs2: :19:

mac
06-17-2009, 01:12 AM
I agree. Lecture when needed. But polite respectful advice first.

mac

Gemini
06-17-2009, 01:13 AM
Well timed reminder Will thumbs2:

Algenco
06-17-2009, 01:20 AM
We were all beginner at one time , we can't help anyone if we run them off

arcticgibs
06-17-2009, 01:49 AM
Thanks for your post.

Jaster
06-17-2009, 02:14 AM
Something I've noticed with many forums (especially global ones) that some times the language barrier and different terminology can make the most helpful attempt at a reply seem sarcastic. That also can hold true for a first post...
Personally I can be a bit gruff on a reply and I've found that throwing something in a honest (sometimes brutally honest) reply like "hope that didn't sound like a lecture or sarcastic...sorry if it did...I really just want to help you out." can make all the difference in the world to anothers feelings.

Though I have to say of all the sites I go to for different topics, the people here have always gone out of their to be and sound nice. The staff makes it a point to be respectful (this post is just more proof of that) and cares about the members. And it's so nice to members follow that lead.

Northernguy
06-17-2009, 02:28 AM
:22: Great words William!

bushwhacker
06-17-2009, 02:31 AM
we have all been guilty at one time or another..... i for one will try not to do this again

Algenco
06-17-2009, 02:46 AM
we have all been guilty at one time or another..... i for one will try not to do this again


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doug z
06-17-2009, 02:48 AM
100% right!

Gayle
06-17-2009, 02:50 AM
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bushwhacker
06-17-2009, 03:19 AM
ok gene put down the whip 20 lashes is enough LOL

bluebluecow
06-17-2009, 07:36 AM
Totally agree, I sometimes dont ask for help in fear of being lectured for my stock, although I do listen now,

kennedpa
06-17-2009, 08:00 AM
Here here !

fishlover49
06-17-2009, 01:37 PM
Great post! thumbs2:

HorrorShowRot
06-17-2009, 04:54 PM
I agree with you.:22:

Wild Turkey
06-18-2009, 12:40 AM
Very well said Will. There is no reason to bash anyone on the forum, but it is in particularly bad taste to bash someone for simply not knowing better.

domjd05
06-19-2009, 02:31 AM
Not trying to say that everybodies way of keeping fish is right, because theres obviously some methods that aren't.. but we all do it differently, with different levels of success, and until somebody comes up with perfect foolproof dirt cheap way to do it.. This is the way it will continue.

I think it's fair to say almost everybody here has made the same newbie mistakes we have found ourselves pointing our fingers at others for.

Great post and well timed.

Taurus
06-19-2009, 03:57 PM
Well said William. This is the exact reason I left another forum and came here to the AC. I'll never go back to the other forum. Keep your minds open and simply show respect for another individuals. :22:

Alpo
06-19-2009, 04:04 PM
Very well put. I can remember being a beginner and getting on forums and getting bashed. 5 years later I joined upthumbs2:

Mith
06-19-2009, 08:35 PM
(Mith backs out of the thread slowely.....he neglected to bring an apple for the teacher....)



(Polite is ALWAYS necessary)

Little Embers
07-30-2009, 06:40 AM
I think this could do with a :bump: right about now!

candice&jeff
07-30-2009, 01:31 PM
Well said William. This is the exact reason I left another forum and came here to the AC. I'll never go back to the other forum. Keep your minds open and simply show respect for another individuals. :22:

Same here, I agree 100%, when we first started we joined another forum, after being lectured, (it can almost feel like your being attacked:torch:) and told we had done everything wrong, we almost thought about just quiting the hobby. Boy an I glad we found the fabulus AC. :ssmile:

Twe3k
07-30-2009, 01:51 PM
Granted when i first joined, everyone was very helpful! With that said, thanks for the posted!:)

Oscar_freak12321
07-30-2009, 03:20 PM
All right Will, will do! :22: