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Jetxx
11-20-2019, 11:29 AM
Hi guys, I'm new to shrimp keeping.

Recently set up my planted tank and cycled it for about a week, tested to see if everything is ok, did a 50% water change before ackimating and putting in the shrimps,. These shrimps were from a worm infested tank with no substrate. Had worms might be because of bacter ae and also my wife and daughter overfeeding.. I cleared the worms by filtering them out over organic no bleach tissue. 1 week into the new tank, they started dying.. on closer inspection the shrimplets innards are pinkish, can't really see on the adult shrimps. I read on google that it's a bacterial infection of micrococci and when I see pink, it's probably far too gone to help with treatment.. Hope someone can shed some light as to what is happening with them and possible cures or its something I didn't do right. Substrate is Gex shrimp and plants.

My water parameters

Ammonia 0

Nitrate 0

Nitrite 5.0ppm

Ph 6.6

Attached photos of my tank and the worms which I cleared. Googled the worms and it seems like detritus worms. Roast me for not keeping the hatchery properly.. I'm sorry..https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191120/3e7d832bd894e22dbc56b4606fc047d9.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191120/4f866725901b87e047ecd2fb56599d3a.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191120/fbf2245607b9b982c89eb8f94d7fe8c6.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191120/b3efccc59909457a9f5751d9e6d875e4.jpg

Slaphppy7
11-20-2019, 01:07 PM
Welcome to the AC.

How did you cycle the tank?....if you are showing nitrItes, the tank is not cycled, unfortunately. A cycled tank will have 0 ammonia, 0 nitrItes, and some nitrAtes.

What kind of test kit do you have?

Jetxx
11-20-2019, 01:11 PM
I'm using API freshwater master test kit.

Sorry typo I've got nitrate at 5.0ppm.
Nitrite is at 0ppm.

Slaphppy7
11-20-2019, 01:13 PM
How did you cycle the tank? Did you use seeded media from another established tank?

One week is usually not long enough to cycle a tank, unless you used seeded media.

Which water conditioner do you use? Do you know the ph and hardness of your source water?

Jetxx
11-20-2019, 01:28 PM
Added old water from another tank, put in an old sponge where the shrimps were resting on. PH from tap was 8.4. Used API PH down to make it about 6.8 initially. As for water conditioner, its was as no name brand from my betta seller, and had been using it for about 6 months with my betta and guppies without any problems. My betta had been making bubble nest since I used PH down.

Slaphppy7
11-20-2019, 03:12 PM
When you run out of that conditioner, get yourself some Seachem Prime, best stuff out there, IMO

Fluctuating ph will cause problems if you are not careful, personally I never mess with trying to change ph...your shrimp would probably do fine with your tap ph

Jetxx
11-20-2019, 03:24 PM
Ic. I will try seachem prime soon. It'll be probably a year if I were to continue using the unknown conditioner. As for PH, I gradually decreased it by .2 each time. Betta has been making bubble nest 2 months ago, and guppies seems fine. Seems like they are more hardy than shrimps. But the pink innards of the shrimps, are they and issue?

Slaphppy7
11-20-2019, 03:37 PM
Shrimp usually turn pink after they have died, not real sure what you have going on there...the detritus worms probably have nothing to do with it, they're a nuisance, but harmless....what kind of shrimp are they, and where did you get them from?

Jetxx
11-20-2019, 04:20 PM
They are cherry shrimps. Neo varieties, from 2 different lfs.

Slaphppy7
11-20-2019, 05:01 PM
Their coloring is off, they should be red to bright red....they've faded in color since you bought them?

Jetxx
11-21-2019, 12:19 AM
The adults are kinda faded. All the shrimplets have yet to show any real color.

Slaphppy7
11-21-2019, 01:40 AM
These may not be RCS

Jetxx
11-21-2019, 02:05 AM
Nooooo~ I thought I read the label as cherry shrimp and fire reds.. I've attached an older picture when they were a few days old. Their innards are black/grey.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191121/ed92e05a00b57056dd3e7b4dae3c15a2.jpg

Slaphppy7
11-21-2019, 12:55 PM
Sorry, but those aren't RCS...they may have been mislabeled at the LFS, which isn't uncommon...you may have a few RCS mixed in with some other shrimp, maybe grass/glass shrimp?

Jetxx
11-21-2019, 01:56 PM
No kidding.. I'll take care of these shrimps anyway. It's just too nice looking at them. :D

Slaphppy7
11-21-2019, 02:29 PM
Yes, there's nothing wrong with them, besides the mystery deaths...I like all aquarium shrimp

Jetxx
11-21-2019, 03:44 PM
Thanks slaphppy7 for all the advice. Will continue to do water change and monitor and update!

Slaphppy7
11-21-2019, 04:19 PM
More than welcome.

Jetxx
11-23-2019, 07:36 AM
Can I use Seachem prime with Liquid neutral regulator? My tap water PH is 8.4. I was reading up on prime and it seems like once I'm using it, I have to dose the water every 24 to 48 hours.

And I realised my tap water have ammonia, nitrites and nitrates.. Probably that's what's killing my shrimps after every water change.. No deaths when I pointed a small fan at the tank and changed only 10% of the water.

Slaphppy7
11-23-2019, 03:25 PM
The more chemicals you add, the more complicated it gets...what are the tap water test kit readings?

After a tank is cycled, you only use Prime at water change time, no more

I would quit messing with your ph, use the tap water as is, and dose 2X the amount of Prime for your tank size (have you mentioned the tank size yet?)

1 ml Prime per 10G of water is the correct dosage...you can (according to Seachem) dose up to 5X the recommended amount safely...use a medicinal syringe to accurately measure your Prime

Jetxx
11-30-2019, 03:08 PM
Sorry for the late reply, was doing some renovation to my house. Tap water readings is

Ph - 8.4
Ammonia - 2.0ppm
Nitrite - 1.0ppm
Nitrate - 20ppm

Which seems very weird for my country's tap water, as they deem it to be drinkable straight from tap.. I read somewhere that certain water conditioner will have false ammonia readings in test kits that are salicylate based. Is API freshwater master test kit salicylate based?

Slaphppy7
11-30-2019, 04:58 PM
What country are you in?....I'm in the US, and have around 1 PPM amm in my municipal tap, as well...no trItes or trAtes, though

It is important to wait 24 hours after a WC to test your tank params, Prime will convert ammonia into an inert form, but it will still show up on the API test after a WC for several hours

Jetxx
11-30-2019, 05:10 PM
I'm in Singapore. I see.. I will leave my pail of water out to breathe for 24 hours, then do a water change (which is due at about 4 days each water change) then wait another 24 hours to test it.

Slaphppy7
11-30-2019, 07:12 PM
Unless your water municipality uses pure chlorine, there's no need to let the water "breathe"...many places now use chloramine, which will not gas off like pure chlorine

Jetxx
12-03-2019, 05:04 PM
I see. Have to look it up. Or contact them to be sure. The data I found, its just a range and I can never be sure.. which is in this link https://www.pub.gov.sg/Documents/Singapore_Drinking_Water_Quality.pdf

Slaphppy7
12-04-2019, 01:27 PM
Looks like regular chlorine is used.
Rocksor, have a look when you can.

Rocksor
12-05-2019, 03:00 PM
I would assume 5ppm of chlorine in your tap water. Unless you have a chlorine test kit, letting the water sit out for 24 hours may not fully remove all of the chlorine. According to this site, it takes 110hours just to remove 2ppm chlorine from 10 gallons. Boiling the water or putting an airstone will help speed up the removal process.

https://aquanswers.com/how-long-does-it-take-for-chlorine-to-evaporate-from-tap-water-entirely/#how-long

Jetxx
12-05-2019, 03:20 PM
Woah! I learnt something that debunks all the things my parents told me up until today! Till now, they are still telling me to leave it out overnight and it'll be safe for aquarium use, and told me that water conditioners are gimmicks to make me spend money! Hahaha and all along I kept thinking maybe I don't have what it takes to be in this hobby.. RIP to the many fishes.. Now after google and the many forums that came into my life, I'm glad.

Slaphppy7
12-05-2019, 04:32 PM
Seachem Prime should be in every fishkeeper's supplies, IMO

Rocksor
12-05-2019, 04:38 PM
Woah! I learnt something that debunks all the things my parents told me up until today! Till now, they are still telling me to leave it out overnight and it'll be safe for aquarium use, and told me that water conditioners are gimmicks to make me spend money! Hahaha and all along I kept thinking maybe I don't have what it takes to be in this hobby.. RIP to the many fishes.. Now after google and the many forums that came into my life, I'm glad.

Water conditioners that remove chlorine/chloramine are essential and more budget friendly than a really good chlorine test kit. With a municipality that uses chlorine, they can increase the amount of chlorine for a short period of time, anywhere from 5ppm-10ppm, whenever they suspect bacteria in the water lines have built up. You can still let the tap water sit out for 24 hours, but I still would dose with water conditioner for the whole tank volume.

Jetxx
12-05-2019, 06:51 PM
Ic. I've been looking for Seachem Prime but none of the lfs I frequent have them. So out of desperation to get a water conditioner where I know what it does, 2 of the lfs recommended fritz complete as it removes chlorine and chloramine, ammonia and nitrite. And also got fritz 7 for the beneficial bacteria, recommended to dose every water or filter media change. Will continue to hunt for Seachem prime in the meantime.

Amongst all the errors I made, I'm happy about this! So excited that it berried in my tank and not bought off a lfs! The[emoji1]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191205/9c242132d90672b9cd61288bc8711e43.jpg

Rocksor
12-05-2019, 09:13 PM
Ic. I've been looking for Seachem Prime but none of the lfs I frequent have them. So out of desperation to get a water conditioner where I know what it does, 2 of the lfs recommended fritz complete as it removes chlorine and chloramine, ammonia and nitrite. And also got fritz 7 for the beneficial bacteria, recommended to dose every water or filter media change. Will continue to hunt for Seachem prime in the meantime.

Amongst all the errors I made, I'm happy about this! So excited that it berried in my tank and not bought off a lfs! The[emoji1]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191205/9c242132d90672b9cd61288bc8711e43.jpg

Fritz complete is fine since it removes chlorine, chloramine, binds up ammonia and prevents toxicity of nitrite.

Slaphppy7
12-06-2019, 12:40 AM
Ic. I've been looking for Seachem Prime but none of the lfs I frequent have them. So out of desperation to get a water conditioner where I know what it does, 2 of the lfs recommended fritz complete as it removes chlorine and chloramine, ammonia and nitrite. And also got fritz 7 for the beneficial bacteria, recommended to dose every water or filter media change. Will continue to hunt for Seachem prime in the meantime.

Amongst all the errors I made, I'm happy about this! So excited that it berried in my tank and not bought off a lfs! The[emoji1]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191205/9c242132d90672b9cd61288bc8711e43.jpg

Congrats...it's getting better...keep up with those WC's if you show any ammonia with the API kit

Jetxx
12-06-2019, 06:31 AM
Thanks for all the help guys! Wondering what kind of feed do you feed your shrimps. Or are there any recommendations?

SueD
12-06-2019, 11:07 AM
Because my shrimp are in with fish I don't usually feed shrimp specific foods. But one treat I do add are GlasGarten Shrimp Lollies. Stick the lollie in the substrate and the shrimp climb all over it. I've even had my pencilfish and habrosus cories picking at these.

https://www.amazon.com/GlasGarten-Shrimp-Lollies-4in1-Power/dp/B07DPB1Y77/ref=asc_df_B07DPB1Y77/?tag=bingshoppinga-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=&hvpos=&hvnetw=o&hvrand=&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=e&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=&hvtargid=pla-4583932703424346&psc=1

I have also tried the Shrimp King sample pack although I think these products are a little pricey - the samples are small.

https://www.amazon.com/Shrimp-King-6099-Sample-Pack/dp/B00H7GUG0E/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=shrimp+king+sample+pack&qid=1575630217&s=pet-supplies&sr=1-1-catcorr

There are lots of options out there.

Jetxx
12-06-2019, 04:49 PM
I see. Asking cause I brought shirakura and benibachi samples and my shrimps doesn't react much to them. In fact, they ignore shirakura altogether. Whereas they all scramble for my $3 ista shrimp food 20g.

Also wondering which food brings out the colors more.

Slaphppy7
12-06-2019, 05:11 PM
Any good quality fish food will work, they'll like some more than others....they like blanched veggies, as well

Jetxx
12-11-2019, 01:58 PM
I see. Sorry for the late reply. If I were to give then vegetables, how often can I give them? I tried giving them boiled cucumber, boiled for 10 mins and let cool. They went crazy over it. Haha

Slaphppy7
12-11-2019, 02:26 PM
I feed fresh veggies once or twice a week, for my shrimp and fish...cucumber doesn't have much nutritional value, try zucchini, yellow squash, green beans, broccoli....I'll usually steam some for myself, and take out a few pieces before they are fully cooked to feed my tanks

Jetxx
12-12-2019, 06:25 AM
I see. Will try them later! Thanks!

Slaphppy7
12-12-2019, 02:17 PM
You are very welcome.