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Nautilus291
09-05-2018, 03:32 AM
Congrats! Can't wait to see some pictures of it in your tank ;)

showmebutterfly
09-05-2018, 03:34 AM
Congrats! I'm excited for you.

mch1984
09-05-2018, 01:19 PM
Thanks everybody, I'll get some pictures when I can. I have a strange feeling once he's in I wont see him for a while.

mch1984
09-05-2018, 01:54 PM
By the way Spardas, I told my wife this was all you fault lol. thanks for the tip

Spardas
09-05-2018, 06:17 PM
No problem, I'm pretty sure Boof's wife also blames me for getting her husband sucked into the salty side, lol.

Besides, I'm sure the eel is in good hands now once it is in your care.

BluewaterBoof
09-05-2018, 06:24 PM
Oh she sure does hahaha But she really likes the marine world. She adores the fish in my little reef. She never got emotionally involved with any of my freshwater stuff. She likes my knife and my angels, but she doesn't sit down in front of the tank and make baby talk to them like she does with the animals in the reef tank lol

BluewaterBoof
09-05-2018, 06:26 PM
Funny that Matt decided to go with the golden dwarf. I was picking Spardas' brain this past weekend about possibly getting an eel and that was one discussed. I'm really interested to see yours.

mch1984
09-05-2018, 06:28 PM
My wife actually pushed me into trying saltwater and she may regret it. My foxface is her baby and is attached to him. When I first started in salt water I looked into the GDE. I saw the price and said no way, but thatís when I was fresh out of freshwater. Iím glad spardas mentioned this guy.

BluewaterBoof
09-05-2018, 07:09 PM
Yeah, the price freaked me out. My wife may soon be entering back into full-time employment now that Jr. is in regular school and I may have a bit more financial freedom to support my aquarium addiction, but presently a fish that costs $500 is beyond my immediate budget haha

mch1984
09-05-2018, 07:12 PM
Well thanks to spardas I didnít have to pay that much, which Is why I decided to pull the trigger this time.

BluewaterBoof
09-05-2018, 07:34 PM
I want to see vid(s) of Spardas' tessalata!!

mch1984
09-05-2018, 08:19 PM
Yeah that would be awesome. You welcome to steal the show in this thread and post up a video lol.

mch1984
09-05-2018, 10:45 PM
Am I the only one that checks the tracking numbers on fish about once an hour? Itís like I need to know exactly where he is at all times.

Spardas
09-06-2018, 01:39 AM
You are not alone, lol. I think we all refresh the tracking site while our livestock is in transit.

Spardas
09-06-2018, 04:33 AM
I know someone is still refreshing...

mch1984
09-06-2018, 11:28 AM
I have no idea what you are talking about, but Incase anybody was wondering heís currently in Lubbock Texas. Lol

mch1984
09-06-2018, 03:52 PM
He has arrived! Going to drive me crazy not checking on him, it will be late this afternoon or early evening before he goes in.

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Spardas
09-06-2018, 03:57 PM
Nice, fish arrived! You are not even going to even open up the box and to take a peek?

mch1984
09-06-2018, 04:01 PM
Well yes I did that but hes wrapped up in that dark plastic they use and I decided not to disturb that too much. Maybe once the box is actually at home I will, since the bedroom stays pretty dark and he'll freak out less.

BluewaterBoof
09-06-2018, 04:05 PM
I always take a peak under my desk here at work where it is nice and dark haha

I'm super jealous, Matt. Congrats on such an amazing creature.

mch1984
09-06-2018, 04:08 PM
Thank you very much, I am excited. And yes, it's taking everything in me not, I'm trying to be good about it. I'm leaving early today anyways to take my daughter to a Dr's appointment so I'm going to take him home first. So hopefully around two I can get him home and take a look.

mch1984
09-06-2018, 07:12 PM
Ok got him home, not time to go into the tank but home. Heís alive and looks good, no labored breathing or anything. I was expecting small but this guy is tiny. Heís awesome!

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180906/b897ab1715a67e654d315635ba10ea13.jpg

Spardas
09-06-2018, 07:30 PM
Yep, small sized eel that is good for a reef tank. He'll get bigger and thicker as time goes on. I prefer the ones like the one you got from LiveAquaria, not a lot of brown splotches in the body.

mch1984
09-06-2018, 07:44 PM
Yeah he seems to be a good solid color. Really surprised me at how lively he was in the bag.

Spardas
09-06-2018, 07:50 PM
Probably couldn't wait to get out of the bag and find the nearest rock shelter to hide.

mch1984
09-06-2018, 07:51 PM
Iím sure, but he is still in there at the moment. Iíd say about 2 more hours and Iíll be ready to put him in. Had to take my daughter to the dr and make a quick stop after.

mch1984
09-06-2018, 09:48 PM
Ok heís in and as for now has found a hole to crawl in. Only issue I see is the rock he chose is the pistol shrimps home. Weíll see who wins that battle for territory.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180906/ca077fe4955b42b334eca419d94bb704.jpg

showmebutterfly
09-06-2018, 10:20 PM
He looks fantastic in your tank.

Spardas
09-06-2018, 10:20 PM
Maybe the pistol will think it's just another goby, lol.

Great thing about eels is how they're pretty resistant to a lot of common disease that most other fishes can get, namely ich.

mch1984
09-06-2018, 10:23 PM
Maybe the pistol will think it's just another goby, lol.

Great thing about eels is how they're pretty resistant to a lot of common disease that most other fishes can get, namely ich.

Yeah maybe, the gobies are probably a little bigger than his head lol. I started to worry a littl after reading about disappearing fish with these guys. After seeing him even my clowns out size him.

Thatís interesting I didnít know that about them.

mch1984
09-06-2018, 10:24 PM
He looks fantastic in your tank.

Thank you!

Spardas
09-06-2018, 11:16 PM
GDEs are generally mild compared to the other Muraenidae but it's still an eel. I say just keep it well fed and it'll tend to leave its neighbors alone. A hungry eel is one that will make things disappear, lol.

Yes, they're pretty hardy compare to other fishes. The slime coat is what protects them from a lot of parasites. It doesn't mean that they can't get it, just that it's tougher for them to get it. Most likely, parasites are still able to attach to the gills but not at a level that is dangerous enough for the eel. However, those ticking time bombs can explode if you introduce a fish that doesn't have a heavy slime coat to defend itself like the eels.

mch1984
09-06-2018, 11:21 PM
Yeah I decided it was a rick I was ok with. I really think my orange spot gobies are about the only ones that have anything to worry about. Iíll do my best to keep him fed, I picked up some silver side and krill today. Iíll play around and see what he likes, but Iíll give him a day or so before I start trying.

Spardas
09-06-2018, 11:34 PM
I think it's a good thing that it is sticking its head out observing instead of just hiding. That's a good sign. What did the wife say?

mch1984
09-06-2018, 11:36 PM
She hasnít gotten home yet but she likes him because I like him. Heís hiding now but Iíve caught him sticking his head out a couple of times.

Side note, Iím done with shrimp ever in my tanks. For boof itís hermit crabs for me itís shrimps I watched my coral banded attack stitch (the eel). I doubt he could have hurt him but he is now banished to the sump.

Spardas
09-06-2018, 11:53 PM
So GDE you just got is now named Stitch?

mch1984
09-07-2018, 12:05 AM
Yup, I named him before he got here. I should grow up at some point and quit naming things after disney movies but for the moment its appropriate.

Spardas
09-07-2018, 12:09 AM
Well, at least it has a name. I don't think I have a name for any of my fishes...

mch1984
09-07-2018, 12:10 AM
Ha, I don't all mine and most of them are more of a description. My wife and daughter like to name them all and he's pretty cool and deserves one.

Spardas
09-07-2018, 08:10 PM
How's Mr. Stitch doing?

BluewaterBoof
09-07-2018, 08:55 PM
Well, at least it has a name. I don't think I have a name for any of my fishes...

You have way too many haha It's easier for me to apply names to a select few of mine that are more important because I have so few.

mch1984
09-07-2018, 09:10 PM
Just got home from work, havenít seen him yet. But I saw him a few times last night.

mch1984
09-08-2018, 05:59 PM
Ok tiny update for a tiny eel. I did spot him this morning for about 2 seconds. He has posted up on the back side of a rock, and is hard to see. I skipped feedings yesterday so maybe I could entice him today with food. Think Iím going to try silversides first, just because I heard most like them.

Spardas
09-08-2018, 06:27 PM
Are the silversides a lot bigger than his mouth?

mch1984
09-08-2018, 06:29 PM
Yeah, I was going to chop one up. I bought krill too and those are nice sized for him.

Spardas
09-08-2018, 07:35 PM
Went through this thread from the beginning, nice detailed progress from start until now. How many red fire fish do you have in the tank?

What are the current inhabitants in it now?

mch1984
09-08-2018, 07:41 PM
Well thank you!

There are 4 fire fish. When I first started looking into fire fish I thought I read they liked groups so I got 4. Did research later and figured out it will probably end with one dying. I may end up giving one to my dad.

2 frostbite clowns
Lawnmower blenny
Foxface Lo (no dot)
Red head fairy wrasse
Melanarus wrasse
Banggai cardinal
4) fire fish
Stitch.
2) Orange dot gobies
Sea cucumber (wife named him poo)
CUC.

Spardas
09-08-2018, 08:15 PM
I read somewhere on the thread your dad also kept fishes. He's also a reefer? I like fire fishes, especially the helfrichi ff.

I like the selection, melanurus is one of my favorite wrasse as well. Is it a male or female/juvenile? It is good you are going to cover up the top as you have some known jumpers in the tank, lol.

Stitch and poo, I'm surprised your wife didn't name the foxface since that is her favorite fish. I love tangs but they are ich magnets. Wrasses that spend time sleeping in the sand is more resistant to ich as well. Basically anything that makes it hard for the parasite to latch on will be more resistant to it.

I remember back in highschool when I had a 75 gallon tank, I had a major disease outbreak of ick, velvet, etc. Everyone was so heavily infected but the eel, nothing. I wasn't sure if the parasites latched onto his gills or not but he had no issues and acted normal. Ate like a champ and behaved just like normal. The only thing that annoyed him was the actual medication I was using to dose the tank, lol. He wasn't sure if it's food or some other smell but he would swim up and investigate when I dump in the meds. It was a fat snowflake eel.

mch1984
09-08-2018, 08:41 PM
The melanarus is a male, I would get a picture but he moves constantly and fast. The fox face does have a name, he is Winston. I had considered a kohl tang, but with the foxface I am unsure. Iím really uncertain if Iíll add much else in the way of fish. Maybe another wrasse or two.

My dad as always liked aquariums but was always unsure how to care for them. Since I got into them I have been able to help. The other issue is budget but we have been working around that the best we can. He does have a 20 gallon reef, there is a thread somewhere about it. I havenít updated it in a while. Iím doing a water change on his tank tonight and will get an updated full tank shot.

mch1984
09-08-2018, 10:22 PM
Big news!!! Stitch has eaten, or I think he has. I set a small piece of silver side in front of his hole. He came smelt of it, and drug it down into his layer. Iím assuming he has eaten.

Spardas
09-08-2018, 11:24 PM
That is great news. Glad he took food right away.

showmebutterfly
09-09-2018, 01:17 AM
Hooray! So glad to hear that the little guy is eating.

mch1984
09-09-2018, 02:38 AM
I feel like everything Iíve read says thatís the first battle. I think the next challenge will be getting him to eat stuff healthier than silversides.

Spardas
09-09-2018, 03:23 AM
Eel should be trained to eat whatever you feed it. It can be shrimp, shell fish, squid, octopus, fish from the market, etc. Eels in general aren't picky eaters. They do go on fasting periods, but any healthy eel should eat just about anything meaty. The longest period was 92 days on my female Japanese dragon eel, she was about 32" at the time. She didn't eat a thing for 92 days. Then on day 93, she ate a whole slab of fish, squid, and anything else I gave her.

mch1984
09-09-2018, 03:26 AM
How do you not start panicking lol. Itís got to make you nervous when they do that. Do you feed until they are done? I gave him the one piece of fish and quit. Should I have kept going until he quit?

Spardas
09-09-2018, 03:37 AM
Haha, I started to worry a bit after 60 days. I've seen long fasting periods before and I know they don't use a lot of energy like a normal fish. I also know it wasn't because of water quality or anything else that would've stressed her out, so I just let it run its course and try to feed an assortment of meaty food every week. It's really a guessing game at that point because you don't know when they will want to eat again.

I feed until they stop wanting to eat anymore. I just don't feed again until a few days later when I see them more actively searching. I know they're definitely hungry if they're swimming up to the top. They will definitely learn to recognize certain common repetitive actions that equates to food. For instance, taping on the glass or opening the lid would tell them food time.

mch1984
09-09-2018, 03:55 AM
Ok thanks for that. Iíll try again tomorrow and maybe keep going this time. Itís going to take a bit for me and him both to learn each other.

mch1984
09-09-2018, 03:58 AM
On a different subject I am finally at my element levels I want. I finally get to turn off the dosing pumps for 24 hours and see what my tank is using everyday.

I am struggling with nutrients but in the way you never expect. My N03 has been riding around 1 or barely a trace and I finally have up to around 2. My P04 though is still barely a trace (less than .015). Iím already running my skimmer only half the day and hate to turn it off completely but starting to think I may need to.

Spardas
09-09-2018, 11:59 AM
Yeah, need more nitrate and phosphate in the tank. You don't want the tank too clean. Maybe feed your fishes more and see if that will bump up the levels.

mch1984
09-09-2018, 07:45 PM
Random video because I cleaned the glass night and the tank was looking nice. Youíll notice a chalice laying in the sand, my grab likes to knock it out. My green slimmer is struggling but looking better.

https://youtu.be/jCTQEnC64jc

mch1984
09-09-2018, 07:55 PM
Only salt water people will understand how exciting this is. I started with white dead rock. I finally started to see coraline on my back overflow. But today I found this! Itís the first spot that I have found where coraline is growing on the rock. Iím sure the dosing and stability of dosing has helped this. Canít wait to see some purple rocks.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180909/8ce4a996882bb1fa277f518bc5736fda.jpg

Spardas
09-09-2018, 10:41 PM
Ditto on the purple algae, lol. I know what you mean. But it's a pita to remove if you have to break down the tank and try to sell it, lol.

Love the colors on those corals, you have room for more frag to grow out. I was trying to look for Stitch the whole time.

Spardas
09-09-2018, 10:47 PM
I also thought of another eel that I had before that would probably be more on the mellow side and not grow as big, the geometric eel, aka Siderea grisea.

It has an interesting facial markings. Not as readily available in the trade/states as other parts of the world though.


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mch1984
09-09-2018, 11:17 PM
Itís a good looking eel.

Yeah the coraline is a pain to clean but it looks good.

mch1984
09-10-2018, 02:13 AM
Stitch gave me a chance for an up close and personal.


https://youtu.be/SlPQIpepFpM

Spardas
09-10-2018, 02:44 AM
It's good that he's alert and attentive. He's looking like a happy camper in that hideout of his. Any food today?

mch1984
09-10-2018, 02:45 AM
Another small piece of silver side but thatís all. I tried to get him to take a second piece but he wouldnít.

showmebutterfly
09-10-2018, 02:55 AM
He's a cutie!

Spardas
09-12-2018, 02:46 AM
How's Mr. Stitch?

mch1984
09-12-2018, 02:48 AM
Good I presume, he hasnít made an appearance today.

mch1984
09-12-2018, 02:50 AM
Just as I posted that I spotted him. Heís good!

Spardas
09-12-2018, 03:01 AM
How's your dosing system working out? What are the nitrates and phosphate registering at these days? Are you still running the skimmer?

mch1984
09-12-2018, 03:08 AM
Well funny you mention that, you could have all the fancy equipment in the world. If you donít turn it back on itís useless. Apparently (Sunday I think) I forgot to turn my ATO and skimmer back on after I took some cheato out of the sump. I tested everything tonight and the N03 is sitting about 6 or 7 without the skimmer. I want to bring it down a hair so Iím going to leave it running for 24 hours then set it back to half a day.

Alk is running pretty level dosing about 24 ml a day or 1 per hour. My calcium is off at the moment trying to get a handle on usage in the tank. Iím going to leave it off till my Calc drops 10 ppm and then Iíll figure up daily usage. Still trying to figure my magnesium out.

showmebutterfly
09-12-2018, 10:08 PM
Well funny you mention that, you could have all the fancy equipment in the world. If you donít turn it back on itís useless.

Oi! A mind is a terrible thing to lose. Did you notice that your system was running really quiet though?
Just aggravating you. I'm glad you caught it before you'd gone too long.

mch1984
09-12-2018, 10:30 PM
Not running quieter, you canít hear my skimmer running. I just looked into the cabinet and noticed the water level was low. I know where the water sits on my skimmer. When I realized it was about 3Ē lower than it should be, it dawned on me I forgot to turn that stuff back on.

mch1984
09-15-2018, 06:15 PM
Tried my hand at a Reef2Reef live sale and I should have not. Those things are dangerous.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180915/b4be287f04e43233f85878cd1c321b8a.jpg

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180915/0994364bb9fd4cc2ff427aa5c5609d30.jpg

showmebutterfly
09-15-2018, 08:23 PM
Those are both very pretty!

mch1984
09-18-2018, 07:11 PM
So now that i'm getting my main element dosing in line I've decided to take dosing a step further. I know there are other trace elements that can benifit coral and their colors. I have decided to start daily dosing these. I've also done a lot of reading about dosing amino acids and other things to help provide more food and energy for coral. I am starting to grow my collection of demanding coral and I feel it's time I step this up. Although this is a daily dosing regiment, I feel like I aready spend time with my tank everyday so it shouldn't hurt. I've started taking some pics of my SPS (all of three pieces at the moment) and I will take new pics of the new ones coming in. I think once a week I will take pics of all of them and see how everything progresses in the next few months. See if the color stays and if I think these trace elements and food are helping.

Also I'm super excited because a fellow local reefer now has a par meter. I am going to get it from him tonight and will get to really see what my lights are doing and what I need to do to step them up.

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BluewaterBoof
09-18-2018, 08:53 PM
I'm interested to hear your results. I had almost pulled the trigger on those Trace supplements a month or two ago but at the time I didn't really have much in the way of SPS. Now that I have some acros and montis I may decide to grab some if they do well for you.

mch1984
09-18-2018, 08:56 PM
I'm interested to hear your results. I had almost pulled the trigger on those Trace supplements a month or two ago but at the time I didn't really have much in the way of SPS. Now that I have some acros and montis I may decide to grab some if they do well for you.

I think it will take a while to see, but maybe I'm wrong. I have one acro, a green slimer. It's struggling but I think that was due to very low alk levels before I started dosing. Who knows, maybe a par problem as well but I'll know that hopefully tonight.

mch1984
09-19-2018, 02:31 AM
Par meter may have been the best thing Iíve ever done with that tank. I had the lights in a spot I thought was good. In fact I was providing horribly low par in my tank. The best spot in the tank had around 60 par. I played with the settings and now have around 250 in the best spots and 60-100 in the sand bed.

BluewaterBoof
09-19-2018, 03:37 AM
Wow, that’s kind of crazy. Didn’t you torch a few frags? I’m amazed that you could burn them if you were only hitting them with around 60 PAR.

mch1984
09-19-2018, 10:52 AM
Yeah I did, but I accidentally left the frag rack less than 6Ē from the waters surface when I did that. My tallest rock is probably 12Ē from the surface if not a little more.

BluewaterBoof
09-19-2018, 12:38 PM
Oh that’s right, I forgot about the rack part.

Glad you got it tested out. I bet you’re stoked to see how your corals respond to the improved lighting.

mch1984
09-19-2018, 12:46 PM
I am, I canít believe the numbers were that low. I have a green slimmer thatís been struggling and I couldnít for life of me figure out why. That question has been answered and thatís awesome. I also got to see where my hot spots are so I can better place coral. I ended up moving my two birdsnest last night, after seeing they were in some of the highest light areas. Iím having to crank up these lights so much Iím going to spread it over a few weeks. Here is the current peak light settings and then what will be the new peak settings.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180919/c396bbf81d7bfaf480ec229e893311c6.png


https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180919/2fe27865cef982030b6064e5bdb23612.jpg

showmebutterfly
09-19-2018, 01:37 PM
I understand none of that about the lights, but am glad that you're happy with knowing the results. What I do know about, or want to know about is... How's Stitch?

mch1984
09-19-2018, 01:40 PM
I understand none of that about the lights, but am glad that you're happy with knowing the results. What I do know about, or want to know about is... How's Stitch?

haha, he's good and will be ready to eat tonight. I'm going about every three days right now, but I noticed he was prowling the tank last night. I'm starting to understand him a little. When he picks a spot and stays there he's good, when he is out and cruising under and in all different rocks I think he's looking for food. I would have last night but I was so busy with the par meter I decided to wait till tonight to do it.

showmebutterfly
09-19-2018, 02:00 PM
Maybe you could get a video while you're feeding him?


haha, he's good and will be ready to eat tonight. I'm going about every three days right now, but I noticed he was prowling the tank last night. I'm starting to understand him a little. When he picks a spot and stays there he's good, when he is out and cruising under and in all different rocks I think he's looking for food. I would have last night but I was so busy with the par meter I decided to wait till tonight to do it.

mch1984
09-19-2018, 02:01 PM
I can give it a shot, he mostly just sticks his head out and snatches the food and takes it to his current cave. I'll get the wife to help and see what happens.

mch1984
09-20-2018, 01:50 PM
showmebutterfly sorry no video today. He wasn't in the mood to eat last night and he was on the back side of rock. Not in great viewing position. I'll try again another day.

showmebutterfly
09-20-2018, 01:56 PM
I understand. Fish are like cats - they never cooperate when you want to take a pic or video. lol


showmebutterfly sorry no video today. He wasn't in the mood to eat last night and he was on the back side of rock. Not in great viewing position. I'll try again another day.

mch1984
09-21-2018, 09:22 PM
I got the new pieces in today, the solar flare isnít colored up yet but Iím still happy with the pieces.


https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180921/f385624bcac9e060cab3300a123c0c64.jpg


https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180921/87de1ad74121c1581c4675ca31de35ce.jpg

Jwfish13
09-21-2018, 11:17 PM
very nice! Now I gotta catch up on your thread lol

mch1984
09-21-2018, 11:46 PM
Thank you! Hope you enjoy!

mch1984
09-21-2018, 11:58 PM
Completely random side shot of tank, cause why not.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180921/e7a528348ea80e52ad50ad838a81c5e0.jpg

mch1984
09-23-2018, 08:01 PM
A little sad today, I’m learning a valuable lesson right now. My lights were too weak, due to user error. I need to come way up but you can’t come up too fast. So I tried to find the middle ground and make the stuggling coral happy without killing the others. With that being said I have some losses and it’s sad. I’ve lost one of my birds nest even after moving it. My povona is gone, and I lost both my monties. It’s happens so fast it’s hard to stop. Little bit of positive is my green slimer is trying to come back and I have some others responding well to the better light.

showmebutterfly
09-23-2018, 08:13 PM
I'm so sorry to hear about the losses, Matt. That's great about the slimer though. I hope it pulls through and will really grow well for you.

mch1984
09-25-2018, 10:58 PM
Itís been quiet in here so here is just something silly. After about a month or so of looking for a sea cucumber I finally found one while I was at WWC. I have been wanting to find one because Iíve heard how good they are for your sandbed. Got him in the tank and Iím pretty sure he went straight to the glass and never touched the sandbed. But finally today, he has decided to venture off the glass. It only took him about 6 weeks of being in the tank.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180925/72f67fd963581b7a6ed2261db5c67888.jpg

showmebutterfly
09-25-2018, 11:12 PM
That is a neat looking critter and it has very pretty coloring.

mch1984
09-25-2018, 11:32 PM
Only creature I have that you canít tell the mouth from the rear end. Heís pretty cool

mch1984
09-27-2018, 05:36 PM
Couple of new pieces, these came from BluewaterBoof neck of the woods. I bought these from pictures for $15 each. One because the color stuck out so much in pictures and the other because you could tell it was a huge frag. Not disappointed with either.

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showmebutterfly
09-27-2018, 05:59 PM
Congrats on the new frags!

BluewaterBoof
09-27-2018, 06:08 PM
Nice dude!

The second one looks similar to a frag I bought from Dee at Reef-Licious. Is that where you ordered them from?

mch1984
09-27-2018, 06:15 PM
Yeah, they are both from Dee. A friend of mind was in Alb for a business trip and stopped by there. Picked stuff up for a few of us, plus Dee donated a few acan frags to the club for our frag swap at the meeting next week.

BluewaterBoof
09-27-2018, 06:54 PM
I bought most of my frags from Dee. I used to think his shop was overpriced a while back, but the quality of specimens and his variety just kind of blew away Southwest Reef so I've pretty much switched back to him. All my acans/micros, favia, favites, acros, leptos, leptastrea, and monti have come from his shop and all of them have turned out beautiful.

The one in your second pic, do the polyps have short dark tentacles with one longer light-tipped one that grows out of each center? He called the one I got "Lightning Fruit Punch" hahaha

BluewaterBoof
09-27-2018, 06:56 PM
Crappy photo of the one I got. You can kind of see how it has a longer white-tipped tentacle sticking out of each polyp.

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mch1984
09-28-2018, 02:47 AM
It looks good. Ive got 6 acro frags and one digi frag sitting on a rack. I kind of want to let them encrust before I place them. I doubt I have that much patience thought

mch1984
09-28-2018, 02:49 AM
So some good news. The last couple of times Iíve tried to feed stitch he wasnít interested. I knew not to be concerned but I was anyways. Figured out why today, he eats the frozen stuff I use too! I was super excited to see thatís some of the reason he wasnít hungry. He ate some frozen today and almost an entire silver side.

BluewaterBoof
09-28-2018, 04:19 PM
Awesome! I don't think some folks realize just how much of a relief it is when an animal like that will accept frozen.

It's always a bit discouraging when they go through fasts. My ball python would go on a three-month hunger strike each winter and I would always be a little stressed even though I knew it was normal.

mch1984
09-28-2018, 04:23 PM
Awesome! I don't think some folks realize just how much of a relief it is when an animal like that will accept frozen.

It's always a bit discouraging when they go through fasts. My ball python would go on a three-month hunger strike each winter and I would always be a little stressed even though I knew it was normal.

Yeah I've had other creatures do it before. My bearded will go in his hide out and just sleep for a few days to a week at a time. Again perfectly normal, but I don't like it. When they brumate you are suppose to leave them alone, but doesn't mean I like to. It's nearly impossible to see him breathing.

One advantage of stitch going after frozen is you get to see his whole body. I rarely see more than his head, but last night he was coming further out and you could see about half of him. He's already put on some thickness in his body.

Spardas
09-30-2018, 03:08 AM
Great to hear that about Stitch eating well. I'm sure he'll be more adventurous and come out more in the open in due time. It's a normal thing for eels to go on a period of time without eating, so I don't worry too much. They hardly ever move so it's not like they use up a lot of energy anyway.

Nice frags, get a few pics in white light too so we can see the colors. Are you getting new lights? I haven't been able to follow all of the posts yet.

mch1984
09-30-2018, 02:00 PM
Not getting new lights, just cranking these way up. Once I have them where I want them, Iíll give it some time. If need be I can add a third light but Iím going to try and avoid it.

mch1984
10-01-2018, 01:01 PM
So I can say the extra light is truly helping just about everybody. In the end I think I will only loose one piece of coral due to the lights being turned up. I had a green monti that I thought I killed, but its coloring back up, even better than it was before. My green slimmer is showing more and more polyps every day. There are some coral that was very much alive that are looking better than ever. I still have a ways to go, I'm did a big bump the first time but am now doing very small bumps every week. I also had a birds nest I thought I killed but it's coming back to.

showmebutterfly
10-01-2018, 01:37 PM
That's great news about all the coral making a comeback and I'm happy to hear that Stitch is doing well too. I think we'll be needing to see some new tank pics soon!

mch1984
10-01-2018, 02:27 PM
That's great news about all the coral making a comeback and I'm happy to hear that Stitch is doing well too. I think we'll be needing to see some new tank pics soon!

For sure, I think I'm going to be placing all the Acro frags soon and Ill take some pictures after I do that. Right now I have three frag racks in the tank holding frags for people at our club meeting this weekend.

mch1984
10-03-2018, 01:33 PM
I have no problem paying for nice coral, and pieces I really like. But this..... I can not understand why. I think BluewaterBoof should snatch this up. :hmm3grin2orange:

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BluewaterBoof
10-03-2018, 02:58 PM
Yeah buddy lol Let me just sell all my current corals, tanks, dogs, cars, and child so that I can afford it hahaha


Can you imagine paying that much for something like that only for it to die on you shortly after adding it to the tank??

mch1984
10-03-2018, 03:07 PM
Yeah buddy lol Let me just sell all my current corals, tanks, dogs, cars, and child so that I can afford it hahaha


Can you imagine paying that much for something like that only for it to die on you shortly after adding it to the tank??

Definitely a scary proposition. I can't imagine paying that much, mostly because I'm not a huge mushroom person. showmebutterfly likes the mushrooms, maybe we can talk her into it.

BluewaterBoof
10-03-2018, 03:13 PM
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showmebutterfly
10-03-2018, 06:08 PM
That going to be a no for me. lol I don't know that I'd even pay $15 for that one. I don't see what's so great about it?

mch1984
10-03-2018, 06:14 PM
That going to be a no for me. lol I don't know that I'd even pay $15 for that one. I don't see what's so great about it?

You got me! I have never understood the fascination with jaw breakers. they currently have a stunning Scoly for $1000. I don't have the money and probably wont for a very long time to buy it, but i could see myself buying it if I had the money. The jaw breaker I wouldn't even if I had the money.

showmebutterfly
10-03-2018, 06:35 PM
I feel that if there's something you want and you can afford it, go for it. I'm pretty basic and have never been the trendy type, so I'll likely just have the common mushrooms, maybe some euphyllia, and be just as happy with my setup as someone with a tank full of high dollar corals. I'm sure I'll enjoy having a few corals in my tank, but what I really enjoy is watching the fish.

mch1984
10-03-2018, 06:39 PM
I feel that if there's something you want and you can afford it, go for it. I'm pretty basic and have never been the trendy type, so I'll likely just have the common mushrooms, maybe some euphyllia, and be just as happy with my setup as someone with a tank full of high dollar corals. I'm sure I'll enjoy having a few corals in my tank, but what I really enjoy is watching the fish.

I agree, but I enjoy the coral just as much. We will at some point do a large fish only and I'll enjoy that one just as much. My 90 however is designed around the coral and not the fish.

If I did have the money and I don't. I would spend it on this, it makes me want to drool.

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showmebutterfly
10-03-2018, 06:43 PM
Someday it will be within your grasp. That's the new hot thing for now. Someday it will be replaced by something else and the price on that scoly will go down. Nothing stays at the top forever.


If I did have the money and I don't. I would spend it on this, it makes me want to drool.

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BluewaterBoof
10-03-2018, 08:03 PM
Someday it will be within your grasp. That's the new hot thing for now. Someday it will be replaced by something else and the price on that scoly will go down. Nothing stays at the top forever.

Well....that may not be the case with corals. The animals in the wild aren't doing too well with the changing environment, pollution, and collection. If the reefs continue to suffer these massive die-offs, we can expect the local governments to permanently shut down all exports of corals (as they've already tried to do a couple of times). If that happens, the only corals available will be those found in private collections and the black market. I would expect prices to skyrocket in that situation.

Spardas
10-04-2018, 02:57 AM
Boof made valid points about corals. They're dying out and the reefs are shrinking. If we don't clean up the water and prevent pollution/global warming; all the beautiful & colorful corals will bleach out and die. The growing floating pile of trash in the ocean is also suffocating the life out of the marine life everywhere. We're probably digesting plastic without knowing it indirectly with all the crap in the ocean right now.

Some of my rarer corals, I don't really see for sale anywhere or they're not collected/found. I've had collectors in the hobbies approached me to buy just frags for quite large amounts of money, but I declined them all, lol. It's nice to have a nice mother colony that's both stunning and rare. People just pay for the awesome unique color/pattern and sometimes, it's like you can only get it from one specimen or mother colony.

mch1984
10-04-2018, 03:07 AM
I understand paying for the colors and patterns. I just donít understand some. I know a lot of that is personal preface. IE I understand the Scolly but not the mushroom.

I will say I have never been an ďenvironmentalistĒ of even the smallest kind. Having a reef tank has at least gotten my attention of the horrible shape our oceans are in. It is sad to think of coral being gone, minus the stuff in tanks.

mch1984
10-05-2018, 03:04 AM
Super dark video but itís when stitch is most active. Little shop of him snatching some food up.

https://youtu.be/TcpE27nSSHQ

mch1984
10-06-2018, 03:34 AM
So not about this build but didnít want to start a new thread.

If you guys had this for a saltwater pond, not a reef (maybe some softies) but a fowlr what would you want to put in it? Itís 69Ē x 63 1/4 x 25Ē. Keep in mind itís an open top so known jumpers like eels are out. Just looking for some ideas. I know one fish on the list is a sea goblin maybe, they hide a lot.

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mch1984
10-06-2018, 04:59 AM
I guess Iíll my input as well. Thinking some breed of grouper, maybe a large angel, puffer for the wife. Not sure if one of the tiny shark breeds would be ok in there or not. Maybe a lion fish. Just looking for some other cool ideas.

Spardas
10-06-2018, 05:43 PM
Where do you plan on keeping the saltwater pond? You can keep eels if you're wiling to make a cover for it. I mean, it doesn't have to be pretty since you're not going to be around to look at it all the time and when you are, you can remove the cover to look at it/feed/etc.

I think most if not all fishes are capable of jumping if spooked while they're swimming up as opposed to dashing for the rocks. I had angels, triggers, and tangs jumping before while spooked. The trigger flew right out of the tank but luckily landed on the back of the glass cover top as opposed to taking the impact from the hard floor. It was spitting water at me in one minute and jumping out of the tank the next.

Next, it would be good to plan on the order of adding the fishes depending on what you get. Do you plan on getting juv/sub adults and grow them together or get adults? There will usually be a dominant fish in a FOWLR who will treat the tank as his territory and everybody else is his subject.

Passer angels are probably the most aggressive of all the larger angels. I don't recommend them if you plan on having more than one type of large angel. Sometimes, you can get a less aggressive one and throw it in with a bunch of different type of fishes to help spread the aggression, but that's not a good long term goal if you plan to keep it for a long period of time. Undulated, clown, and queen triggers are also quite aggressive. They will bite the hand that feed them once they are comfortable and establish their territory, and they have TEETH! What eels are you planning to get if you do get them? Some are quite unpredictable and will just take a chunk out of your fish while probing for a potential meal. Once my Tessie eel gets bigger, he's going into his own tank. That thing will attempt to attack anything during feeding time if they get in the way between the food and it, including you!

Groupers will swallow just about anything that can fit into its mouth. Miniatus groupers are one of my favorite but can be complete bullies as well. You may be able to get away with small cat sharks. Other than that, nothing else.

mch1984
10-06-2018, 05:56 PM
Well my wife and I have went back and forth about a plan for me to have a dedicated fish room that doubles as my office. We have discussed a few ideas and I think the final and best choice is me taking over the garage, we donít use it for itís intended purpose anyways. I canít ďencloseĒ my garage due to the HOA but I will put up a false wall on the inside of the garage door. I have a lot more work to do and it probably wonít start for 6 months.

With all that being said the pond will go in my fish room. The plan is to tie my reef display (350 ish), this, two frag tanks into a large sump.

I had contemplated making a cover for it while Iím not in the room. When I go in there to work or play with the tanks I could take it off and enjoy the view. I thought you could actually use some screen and some elastic and make one that stretches over and hangs under the lip. But thatís just a thought.

If thatís the case I would think maybe a zebra or something to help with the aggression of an eel. I havenít explored large predators much so I have a lot of research to do, but lots of time to do it. Iím thinking I will probably add juvenile and let them grow up together. Iím not sure that will help but I think it would be fun to grow them and have them their whole lives.

Spardas
10-07-2018, 03:21 AM
Is there a side wall to the garage that you can knock a chunk out without ruining the structural integrity of the support in place to create an in wall tank? It'll be cool to be able to view one side and the other your fish room. May have to think about ventilation as well if it becomes too humid with all the tanks.

Japanese dragon eels are at the top of my list for less aggressive and more community FOWLR type of eels. They look fierce but from my experiences with them, I think they're comparable to a swowflake or zebra eel. I haven't had one that is an absolute monster yet. Not to mention, they're simply stunning to look at, especially the males with the redder coloration. I find the Hawaiian dragons to have more yellow and orange and not as brightly colored as their siblings. The Mexican/Brazilian dragons are also a good alternative that's cheaper but not as colorful, but there are a couple of them that share the same common name (Muraena pavonina, Muraena melanotis, and Muraena retifera). These guys all hail from the Atlantic. A close relative is the jeweled (Muraena lentiginosa) which is more readily available and on the eastern Pacific. When they are adult size, they are all stunning, check them out. There are a couple of honorable mentions that I like as well (Kikado, Fangtooth Moray, Banana Eel (and the normal variation), Whitemouth, Black Edge, Snowflake, Zebra). I'm not including any of the super aggressive ones on here and they get too big for a 300 gallons anyway.

For large angels, try to get one from different family. The biggest and baddest one go in last. 300 gallon is not that much space if you're thinking about one of the larger adult angels at adult size. One will be the "King" of the tank if you choose to put multiple in there. I've seen many people keep them for short period of times together but if you're looking for 5+, 10+ years, then it's very uncommon to have adult angels in a small tank together. Larger aquariums will do okay as they will have room to establish their territory. Pick the one you like most. Another thing to consider is the common region they're in. For instance, queen angel and French angel are from the same region so they usually tolerate each other better than angels from other regions. But even so, I'm not sure how long that friendly relationship will last once they're full adults in a 300 gallons. By order of my favorites of the larger angels (10" +) : Queen, Emperor, Passer, Maculosus, Scribbled, Blue line or Maze variation, Majestic, French, then Cortez. By order of medium sized (around 8" - 10"): Regal, Clarion, Masked (Male), Goldflake, Masked Swallowtail (Male). By order of dwarf: Peppermint, Interruptus (male), hydrid lemonpeel, multicolor, golden, flame, potters, coral beauty. I left out some common ones in the trade because I don't like them. Angels are absolutely stunning fishes but personality wise, I think other fishes are more fun to interact with.

Triggers, go for Xanthichthys family. The other families can be hit or miss or just plain deadly (Clown, Undulated, Queen, Titan, and Blueline are all mean as adults). But the meaner triggers also have much more personality IMO. They grunt, spit water at you more often than not, chase after your hands. They will shoot a jet of water into the sand to look for inverts/mollusks or just because they are bored. They will flip certain inverts up to get to the softer side to get to them. Some will just randomly attack your equipments/chords in the tank for no reason at all or maybe they think they can grind their teeth with it.

Wrasses are also beautiful but some may get into fight with groupers since they have similar shape. Red Breasted and Broomtail are my two favorite and don't really require sand. Formosa and Red Coris are two larger wrasses that I like. The anampses has two rare beauties in their family that sometimes go on sale. Lennardi is my favorite and I have a couple of those guys, absolutely beautiful colors. It's sometimes scary to come and inspect the tank and don't see them but you know they're hiding in the sand. But other time, it could spell trouble if you can't see them for a couple of days, but then they just magically show up. Then there is your readily available harlequin tusk. Not all Australian have the bright orange tail and at the same time, some from outside Australia also have the orange tail and bright colors. It just depends.

Puffers are very cool. The Golden morp is my favorite. The mappa pufferfish is also beautiful. There are also the blue variation of the porcupine puffer and they're stunning as well but you will rarely see them in the states.

Groupers can be shy at first but once they're acclimated and comfortable, they will be bullies. Small fishes are fair game to them. Of the ones that are good for a 300, I think miniatus, blue line, or polleni would do. It is also extremely fun to watch them "watch" you. They would play hide and seek with you, stalk you for food, or just perch on a rock and stare you down. It's simply hilarious.


Lionfish, I just don't like them. But to each his own.


Sharks: smaller cat sharks if you really want them.


Some other fishes to consider: large filefishes (related to triggers); Hifin snapper (red snappers get too big); Spanish hogfish; Yellow Blotch (Orange Spot) Rabbitfish, Scribbled Rabbitfish, Blueline Rabbitfish; Giant Squirrelfish.

There are others I haven't listed probably because I don't remember them all right now. But you will definitely need a good filtration system and a skimmer. One of the thing to watch out for is waste management for these eating machines.

mch1984
10-07-2018, 05:48 AM
Thatís an incredible reply thank you for taking the time.

Unfortunately the garage doesnít share a wall with a common area to do something cool like that. Humidity will be an issue, I like open top tanks and tend to encourage evaporation. Iím going to put the garage on itís own AC, probably a mini split. As far as ventilation, I havenít decided exactly how Iím going to approach it yet. I know I need a really good system. Iíll also run a dehumidifier in conjunction with the ventilation. Iím going to have to have a contractor do some work anyways, I need A LOT more electric access in there so Iíll get ventilation worked out with them. When this gets serious Iíll start a build thread and the skimmer will be a big topic for me. Iím just not sure what to go with on this big of a system.

I will be sitting down and doing research on these species youíve mentioned. I would like to think I can keep all these fish for a very long time. So I stay away from the larger breed angels. The dragon eels are pretty awesome so thanks for bringing them up.

If I do put a puffer Iím pretty sure my wife will insist on a dog face. Those are her favorites and itís the least I can do to put one in there for her.

Spardas
10-07-2018, 01:09 PM
Yeah, it'll be a long term project for sure if you want to convert your garage into a dedicated fish room. I imagine it'll be hot/warm year round down in Texas, so maybe some sort of AC system that can act as a dehumidifier and keep the garage @ room temperature would be good so you won't have to invest in a chiller for hot months.

If you can get your LFS to order from Quality Marine for you, then try to have them get in contact with the wholesaler. These guys are good and can bring in some rare fishes, including some of the uncommon eels (M. Melanotis). Sometimes, you can get lucky with Diver's Den but probably has better chances with QM.

Dogface puffer are cool too, they do have several different variations too. Funny thing is my favorite puffer of all time isn't even a saltwater one, but the freshwater Mbu puffer. I think it is much more attractive than any marine puffer fish, just because of the pattern.

mch1984
10-07-2018, 01:20 PM
Yeah in Texas out of 12 months about 9 of them are pretty warm. AC companyís stay pretty busy around here. Iíve never ran a chiller because we have an AC and I hope I donít have to. I will just have to set up all my ventilation and see if it keeps up. Iíll figure out pretty quick if itís going to do it. I am going to do a bunch of research and see what other people have done and get some ideas.


Locally we have one store and they suck. As far as finding a store to work with like that Iíll have to go to Dallas area, about a 4 hour drive. If I can get a good relationship I will do it. I donít mind a day trip for a nice fish.

mch1984
11-11-2018, 10:57 PM
Newest member of the clan, a nice healthy scoppis tang from a local reefer. We have Winston the foxface so here is Churchill the tang.

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