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Platyfish1999
01-18-2015, 12:32 AM
I was wondering if a betta and neon tetras would survive in hard water as my water is hard.I will acclimatise the fish slowly so they will adjust.I just want to know will they be ok

fishmommie
01-18-2015, 12:45 AM
google Neon Tetra profile and you'll find everything you need to know about what the betta needs as far as water quality and much more. Same thing with Betta.

Platyfish1999
01-18-2015, 12:47 AM
They both prefer soft water but I was wondering if i acclimate the fish slowly will they be able to survive in hard water?

fishmommie
01-18-2015, 12:58 AM
while it's not the best scenario most fish will adjust.

Platyfish1999
01-18-2015, 09:28 AM
Anymore advice is appreciated but fishmommie's answer is helpful.

Boundava
01-18-2015, 07:41 PM
I have hard water and currently have 3 betta; dragonscale male, crown female and a "king". I have had 11 bettas over the past 13 years and never had a problem with them in medium-high hard water (had 8 at one time in 8 different tanks and they lived from 5-7 years). I always had driftwood in my big tanks, but the smaller 5 gallon tanks I would just use a conditioner. I think that if you buy local the betta is used to water changes with the local water. Now the indian almond leaves are so prevalent, you can add those to smaller tanks as well as some small spider or cholla wood to help soften and lower pH.

I had neons once, but they really need pristine water conditions-which I didn't have with 3 plecos, so they didn't work out for me. I would get cardinals as they look like the neons, but are hardier.

Cliff
01-18-2015, 07:48 PM
while it's not the best scenario most fish will adjust.

+1 to that

They certainly can adjust, but it is not the best for them long-term

madagascariensis
01-18-2015, 07:59 PM
As mentioned many times, both species are soft water species. Bettas have been domesticated so long ago you could probably have a thriving betta in any water as long as extremes are avoided. Neon tetras however, will probably not do too well. I've heard somewhere that it has been verified they get gradual kidney damage from living in hard water.

If your water is hard enough to warrant a mention, you might be better off with fish that naturally thrive in hard water. All livebearers (endlers, guppies, etc), most danios, White Cloud Mountain minnows, many small barbs, bloodfin tetras are just a few of the community species that either tolerate hard water well or even prefer it.

Platyfish1999
01-19-2015, 05:28 PM
But is there any other schooling fish that I can fit at least 6 in a 14 gallon and that can go with a betta.(And that doen't mind hard water)

fishmommie
01-19-2015, 06:38 PM
Endlers and guppies, as mentioned above are about the same bio load as neons. The endlers will school (and they're very bright and pretty too) If you go with guppies, I'd get all male. I swear, they males are so pretty. I'm going to have tank full of them someday :o)

But is there any other schooling fish that I can fit at least 6 in a 14 gallon and that can go with a betta.(And that doen't mind hard water)

Platyfish1999
01-19-2015, 07:05 PM
I think I might try platies but I might consider guppies(I will be only getting males,how fast try breed :D)I had a few guppies before but I think platies have a bit more personality but in the end I might get platies and guppies.I'll see.

Thanks

fishmommie
01-19-2015, 08:05 PM
that might be a really good choice.
If you get platies you might want to get all males too. the females pop out fry constantly.
You'll have to post photos when you get it stocked.

Platyfish1999
01-20-2015, 08:18 AM
How much platies could I get as others are saying I can only get 3 and that sounds like a bit little

fishmommie
01-20-2015, 05:13 PM
If you keep up on your water changes (as in 30 - 50%) weekly and deep vac your gravel regularly (platties are poo machines) and you're only getting Platies (no betta) you could do 6 I think. If you're getting a betta, then I'd go with 3 platies. Again, the tank must be very well maintained.

Platyfish1999
01-20-2015, 06:59 PM
Do you know about guppies?I heard that bettas kill guppies.How many?Any other hard water low bioload fish that I can get more than 3 with a betta?

fishmommie
01-20-2015, 07:14 PM
endlers, harlequin rasboras, glowlight tetras, black phantom tetras. pygmy cory cats. that might be fun. You could have 6 of them and since they are pretty much bottom dwellers the betta would have the rest of the tank. Add a couple neritz or mystery snails and it would be a really fun tank.
You know - you can still have neons if you want. Just acclimate them slowly, make sure you never have ammonia and keep the nitrates down and they will do fine. they will adjust. Is it the most ideal situation? No but it's not a horrible situation either. they could do very well.

Oh - and about bettas killing guppies - that's a crap shoot. It all depends on the betta. Everything could be just fine.


Do you know about guppies?I heard that bettas kill guppies.How many?Any other hard water low bioload fish that I can get more than 3 with a betta?

Platyfish1999
01-20-2015, 07:26 PM
I will see what is available in the pet shop.I like the look of cories but what do they eat?

I have also heard of neons getting kidney damage from hard water?Does this make them live shorter?

Platyfish1999
01-20-2015, 07:40 PM
I actually can't get cories as I have large gravel and it will damage their barbels.

fishmommie
01-20-2015, 08:06 PM
I'm not all together certain that gravel always injures cories. i have had 8 cories on gravel for 3 years. they are fine - as are their barbels :o).
You feed them veggie wafers, flakes, shrimp. very easy to keep.

As for neons - yes, you are right. Over long periods that could happen. A lot could happen. if you feel uncomfortable with it, then don't get them. i have slightly hard water and I have had neons in my 15 gallon for a long time now.

I actually can't get cories as I have large gravel and it will damage their barbels.

steeler58
01-21-2015, 07:27 AM
:+1: to fishmommie, Cory's can be kept over most any substrate as long as it's not sharp.

Platyfish1999
01-21-2015, 08:17 AM
I'll either get the cories,harlequin rasboras or 3 platies.I will give you a stock photo Saturday as I may be getting the fish Friday:)

fishmommie
01-21-2015, 03:03 PM
Great. Good luck!

And see how your tank does with the platies if you get them. You might be able to add a 4th if you maintain the tank well.

I'll either get the cories,harlequin rasboras or 3 platies.I will give you a stock photo Saturday as I may be getting the fish Friday:)

Platyfish1999
01-21-2015, 04:18 PM
Do I have to buy a special food or the betta as I have don't have that much money?Or can try to get him to eat flake?

Keep an eye out for an aquarium journal but I won't be able to get plants for a while.I was thinking of elodea and java fern.

I will deffinetely see what fish the pet shop has and I will tell ye Saturday.

Thanks.