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aquaalex
12-23-2014, 10:09 PM
I posted earlier about a strange illness my betta's been struggling with, I'm hoping to get a better diagnosis from more experienced people on here than I could give myself.

He has mild fin rot, but what worries me is the translucent/grey appearance of the entire fin. It's gotten worse since last post. Traditionally fin rot is on the tips with the grey colors and a ragged appearance, but my guy has developed a see-through grey color that progressed from the body towards the tips (eventually will meet up with the edge fin rot I'd assume?).

Also there's some reddish brown discoloration on the Lateral line; where the anal fin meets the body. Presumably some bacterial thing? I've heard good things about API Tetracycline, but I've also heard it doesn't work on fin rot bacteria since the fin rot is Gram-Negative and Tetracycline is better with Gram-Positive.

I'm mostly concerned that the fin rot is a side effect of whatever this grey-red coloration all over his fins is (Stress could be making him grey? Maybe the entire fin is infected, but not rotting away yet so it's just grey?). Naturally I'm more worried about this large volume discoloration rather than just the grey edges of fin rot. It doesn't seem to be fungal, nor parasitic. Fairly convinced it's bacterial.

fishmommie
12-23-2014, 10:39 PM
it would be best if you asked these follow up questions on the original thread so we can go back over it and see what the original circumstances were, see what you've been doing to treat him etc. I can't remember the name of the thread "o( sorry

aquaalex
12-24-2014, 04:23 AM
it would be best if you asked these follow up questions on the original thread so we can go back over it and see what the original circumstances were, see what you've been doing to treat him etc. I can't remember the name of the thread "o( sorry

I've included about everything I know in the thread- sorry if it isn't clear enough. The lead up was an relatively poorly cycled tank probably some ammonia made him lethargic (and bad immune system), he got a bit of fin nipping/rot and then progressed to this full fin grey discoloration. He's just been in a Q/T tank in this kind of stasis with the infection relatively stable with some Aquarium salt in there too.

So that's all I'm looking for: Diagnosis on a full-fin grey translucence & discoloration, along with red-brown patch on lateral line; also there is some fin rot on the tips but the two don't seem connected (only connected by the fact that they're advantageous infections).

An edited and unedited picture that should highlight his problem:
http://m.imgur.com/a/JWZAP (2nd is edited; red/brown streak and the grey-translucence)


The italics are just for emphasis, not passive-aggresive :ssmile:, I appreciate your reply & I think this is everything that's relevant to his sickliness.

fishmommie
12-24-2014, 02:56 PM
No problem. how long has he had those tiny spots on his head and body? Can you tell if they are bumps or pits? If pits you have a bigger problem than fin rot. It could be hole in the head which will require a lot of W/C and medication like Metro+ to cure. HITH is very difficult, to cure, however and even if you can get on top of it, he'll most likely be scarred.
I'm not saying he has HITH but those photos indicate it's a possibility. read up on HITH and see if you think that's what you're dealing with then let us know.



I've included about everything I know in the thread- sorry if it isn't clear enough. The lead up was an relatively poorly cycled tank probably some ammonia made him lethargic (and bad immune system), he got a bit of fin nipping/rot and then progressed to this full fin grey discoloration. He's just been in a Q/T tank in this kind of stasis with the infection relatively stable with some Aquarium salt in there too.

So that's all I'm looking for: Diagnosis on a full-fin grey translucence & discoloration, along with red-brown patch on lateral line; also there is some fin rot on the tips but the two don't seem connected (only connected by the fact that they're advantageous infections).

An edited and unedited picture that should highlight his problem:
http://m.imgur.com/a/JWZAP (2nd is edited; red/brown streak and the grey-translucence)


The italics are just for emphasis, not passive-aggresive :ssmile:, I appreciate your reply & I think this is everything that's relevant to his sickliness.

aquaalex
12-24-2014, 05:13 PM
Oh no, thats just bubbles from the aquarium. I'd changed the water recently. He doesn't have any bumps or anything that I'd noticed anyway. You are seeing the whitish spots right? Definitely bubbles. Just a trick of the light makes it look like they're on him.

I'm just concerned about the red/brown patch and the grey see-through fins. I didn't notice any other abnormalities when I investigated, but I could be missing something.

fishmommie
12-24-2014, 06:02 PM
Glad to hear that they are bubbles because man, every spot looks like it's right on him.

I'm hoping someone else who might have seen this in their betta will chime in. To me, it looks like you're still dealing with the fin rot and the red/brown is an extension of it. If he's eating and he doesn't appear to be bloated, I'd continue what you're doing with the frequent W/C and see if he improves.

If you don't see improvement soon, (or you feel you've given him enough time to improve with the treatment you've been giving) you may want to try Metro+ or even General Cure. Both have an antibiotic that could be beneficial if he does in fact have infection which could be making the color is more pronounced. I think that if it was my betta, that's the route I'd take.
If you do decide on medication, make sure you get the salt out of the water and any carbon out of your filter.
keep us posted and I hope you have some good luck with him.



Oh no, thats just bubbles from the aquarium. I'd changed the water recently. He doesn't have any bumps or anything that I'd noticed anyway. You are seeing the whitish spots right? Definitely bubbles. Just a trick of the light makes it look like they're on him.

I'm just concerned about the red/brown patch and the grey see-through fins. I didn't notice any other abnormalities when I investigated, but I could be missing something.

aquaalex
12-24-2014, 08:37 PM
I started on some Tetracycline. Why do you say get the salt out of the water? Would the combo be too stressful? I started the dosing the other day and he seems fine with a 1/2 teaspoon of AQ salt and the antibiotic.

fishmommie
12-24-2014, 10:06 PM
As a matter of course, it's generally best to do one treatment at a time to avoid additional stress, yes. If he's doing okay with both then I'd do whatever you're comfortable doing. have you see any improvement since you started treatment?


I started on some Tetracycline. Why do you say get the salt out of the water? Would the combo be too stressful? I started the dosing the other day and he seems fine with a 1/2 teaspoon of AQ salt and the antibiotic.

fishmommie
12-24-2014, 10:51 PM
ps to all of this. You are absolutely certain that those are bubbles not pits on that betta? I looked at the photo again Man, it's hard to imagine that the bubbles would fall just on him It looks so very much like he has pits from the middle of his belly up under his fin and on the chin plus some around his mouth and nose.
Regardless, if it would be hole in the head, you'd treat it exactly as you are now.

aquaalex
12-24-2014, 11:47 PM
No it's absolutely bubbles. He was being acclimated in a petco type plastic cup to the 2.5 gallon temporary tank so the bubbles look like they're sunken into his level but they're just on the outside of the cup, but inside the aquarium glass. Absolutely not a problem, it's funny how the eye sees that. I think it's worse because all I did was zoom in on the original photo, its not two different ones. So they appear to be on the same spot on the body and the camera looks moved but it's not like that.

He's gotten a better attitude after a bit of Tetracycline, maybe he's not spending as much energy fighting the infection. So a bit of improvement but the discoloration is still present. I'll update after a week and the full cycle of antibiotics.