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10-29-2012, 02:59 PM #1
Helpful Info on Blood Parrots and swim bladder
Since becoming the proud owner of 3 blood parrots I’ve learned a lot about this amazing, personable fish – including the fact the BP’s are subject to swim bladder issues. I’ve discovered this first hand as 1 of my trio occasionally hangs upside down in a top corner of the tank – a certain indication that there may be a problem with the swim bladder. When I see this happen on and off for two days in a row, I get a little concerned. I thought that compiling 'what I've learned' about avoiding and treating swim bladder in blood parrots might be useful to anyone else who owns. So here goes. Hope it helps.
What is swim bladder? Most likely, it’s an impaction with food, which in turn clogs up the pneumocystic duct, which does not allow the swim bladder to inflate and deflate properly. Fish that lay or swim upside down are said to have "Flipover". Usually, the abdomen is swollen when a fish is constipated. Also, fish that gulp air at the water's surface when feeding can have swim bladder problems.
Overfeeding/constipation is the most common cause of SBD. Injury is also a potential cause. Rarely, viral or bacterial infection can cause SWD. If you are dealing with an infection, however, the best choice for internal infections is Furanace but requires a prescription. An alternative: is tetracycline, Maracyn TC is one brand.
Okay ... baring infection or injury, you can potentially avoid a swim bladder issue from ever developing by doing as follows:
First and always – keep a clean tank and make weekly 50% W/C’s to insure good water quality
Do not over feed - they are NEVER as hungry as they think they are. In fact, it’s a good practice to fast them one day a week. It’s good for your entire tank.
Do not feed flake food that floats on the surface of the water. BP's are such greedy eaters that they will swallow air when ingesting floating flakes and could bring on a swim bladder episode. If you're feeding flakes, simply pinch them between your fingers and release under water so the flakes float down instead of linger on top. You could also pre-soak flake or pellet food (in conditioned water), as this will allow expansion of the dried food to occur prior to the fish eating it, and will lessen the chance of impaction.
BP’s are omnivorous. Feed them live, frozen, and freeze dried foods (they LOVE frozen brine shrimp or frozen bloodworms) as well as veggies. Small sinking cichlid pellets are easier for them to eat than floating foods. (side note: Foods high in b-carotene and canthaxanthin will help maintain their vibrant colors.)
I suggest mixing it up - feed shrimp or frozen blood worms once or twice a week, small (because they have tiny mouths) sinking cichlid pellets on other days + the occasional flake food. Do NOT feed floating pellets – for the same reason you don't want floating flakes. The pellets swell up in the water then in their tummies and put pressure on the bladder and could cause a problem.
Have a veggie day 1 day a week. Especially feed them peas (nuke them for 30 secs, let them cool, then pop off the shells). The peas will be a little mushy (or not) but they will sink. BP's love them and it keeps their digestive tract cleaned out. Again - it's good for all fish in your tank.
If, however, you practice these preventative measures and your BP still gets swim bladder, the first treatment option is to withhold feeding for 24-72 hours or longer, and see if the constipation corrects itself.
If an extended fast doesn’t help, an Epsom salt bath may help draw out excess fluid in his body. Use a fish-safe container big enough for him to rest and move around in comfortably as his 'bath-tub'. Typically the dosage rate for Epsom salt baths is 1 teaspoon per gallon of water. Make sure the water temp is the same as his tank's water (or just use some of the tank's water as long as its fairly clean) and leave him in the soak for 15 minutes. Afterward, carefully move him back into his main aquarium. It may take a few repeated sessions of these baths to help and is not a guaranteed cure but has proven to be beneficial in many cases.
Hopefully, you'll never have to deal with swim bladder disease with your Blood Parrots but if you do, I’m hoping this information is helpful. Thanks to everyone on the forum who has answered my questions about Blood Parrots and potential swim bladder disease.
And if anyone else out there has additions (or corrections) I am eager to hear them. There are many far more experienced than me in this area but I'm hoping that having this information compiled in once place will be helpful to all. We all want what’s best for our little fishies.
Last edited by fishmommie; 10-29-2012 at 03:03 PM.
10-29-2012, 03:18 PM #2
Good tips, fishmommie....I don't really see blood parrots more apt to have swim bladder than any others, tho.
I've had 8 of these fish (now for 7 years) and none of them ever had swim bladder. I drop in sinking pellets one time each day and do my 50% water changes weekly.
10-29-2012, 03:26 PM #3
thanks, Lady Hobbs
Apparently, my one little fishie does have a tendency to have SB issues as he pulls the upside down hanging act a little too often to make me comfortable. The reading I've done on the web more or less suggests the BP's may have a higher incidence of swim bladder disease because of their unusual shape. I'm so glad you've not experienced that ... and I don't see it in my other two ... just the one. so ... luck of the draw.
thank you also for some of the info I used in my post ... i think the floating food issue plays a big factor in any problems developing.
Because I have a community tank and some fish won't eat the sinking pellets, I have to mix in some flakes so I really appreciated your tip on sinking the flakes so they don't float and avoiding floating cichlid pellets.
Last edited by fishmommie; 10-29-2012 at 03:33 PM.
10-29-2012, 03:37 PM #4
I think because they kind of have to bob for food, they may tend to suck in more air when feeding from the top and why I only use the sinking stuff. Did you ever worm your fish yet? It could be he has a lingering bacterial infection, too. Swim bladder should not be continuing to return, I don't think, unless he has something lingering.
10-29-2012, 05:34 PM #5
I did worm them so I don't think that's the issue. I honestly think he might just have a predisposition to SBD. He's the pig of the tank ... always front and center and runs around frantically trying to get EVERYTHING before the others get it. And since the tank is pretty mellow, they bow to him (or her) and just get out of his way.
I made the difficult choice to remove the EBJD from the tank and house him temporarily in the 30 with the tetras. He was my difficult eater - could NEVER get food to him even if I target fed. And since he was the smallest and least aggressive fish, I know I was over feeding trying to make sure he had food.
Now that he's not in the tank, I can cut back and I'm hoping that will solve the problem - at least I know I won't be over feeding the tank any more.
05-25-2015, 10:42 PM #6Junior Member Guppy
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I followed your post from the 10-29-2012 at 03:03 PM. listing. My question to you.. how often can you do an Epson bath for flip over issues on a parrot?
Now: fish is flipover
Yesterday, he was on laying on his side flat at the bottom of the acquarium but not dead.
Update: Last night I did an "Epsom salt bath- a 1 teaspoon per gallon of water. Thewater temp was the same as his tank's water and I left him in the soak for 15 minutes. The parrot did very well and stopped laying on his side. I transported it to my 10 gallon (same water parameters as my 55 gallon)". The only fish in the 10 gallon is 3 fancy guppies. This morning, he was swimming normal but slow. He looked good. I did not feed him. When I came home around 4p.m. today, he was upside down (flipover) and alive. It looks like now he has swim bladder problem. I am starting to see two little black stress marks on his face. My question, should I do another Epson salt bath or leave him alone. I did give him a little bite of the pea mixture you mentioned above and he ate it. If I perform another Epson salt bath, how often can I do it. Thanks for you advice; I have learned from it and will apply it
The question you might ask me is why did I move him out of his 55 gallon home to the 10 gallon.. it's because I have a couple of stripped barbs and they were looking at him as there next meal.. they were sitting watching him. I was scared that I would of found him this morning with no tail.
05-26-2015, 02:46 PM #7
So sorry to hear that you're having issues with you BP. Have been out of state and not checking in with the AC.
It seems you're doing everything right. I wouldn't hesitate to repeat the Epson Salt baths. The black spots do indicate stress but those can come and go depending on a lot of conditions.
What are your water parameters? Any nitrite, ammonia or nitrate issues?
Moving him to the 10 was a good idea. I'd leave him there for the salt bath, then do a healthy W/C after the soak rather than transport him into another container for the soak. it should stress him a little less. just add the salt slowly. shouldn't hurt the guppies but if you're worried you could remove them until after the W/C
Let me know how it goes and good luck.
PS - also answered your PM
05-26-2015, 03:57 PM #8
Must be my day to read about this fish. Earlier I was reading this.http://www.fishlore.com/fishforum/pa...ot-advice.html
Now I am reading your postWhen I go fishing I just throw sharp rocks in the water and wait for the dead fish to float to the top... Kingfisher
Everything happens for a reason. Sometimes that reason is you are stupid and make bad decisions.
I think my fish is adjusting well to the four gallon, He's laying on his side attempting to go to sleep on the bottom of the gravel.
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