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    I currently have a stock 55g aqueon and still have the filter it came with. a Stock 55 HOB Aqueon. I am planning on adding a second filter among other things as I learn more.

    People have suggested the following:

    Eheim 2217
    Fluval 406

    I can be tight with money and need understand why I would use either of those over an AC70 HOB that is also rated at about 300gph. ie is one type far superior to the other, more economical to maintain? I just want to make sure I spend wisely before I order a couple hundred bucks worth of stuff.

    Also I don't quite understand flow other than the current. When they speak of adjustable flow is it just restricting the gph output?
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    I would go with the Eheim. I am currently using the Eheim Professional 2 2028. I also own a 2nd 2028 and a Eheim 2229 wet/dry filter. LOVE THEM.

    A canister filter is quieter (I can't hear mine AT ALL), looks better (able to hide it behind the aquarium), gives the option to have more and different media options.

    Being able to control the flow rate is essentially changing the GPH. I love the option of controlling the flow rate, because when I feed my fish, or am doing some aquascaping, I can slow the rate down so the food or substrate isn't blown around too much.

    If I were you, and money was tight... I would stick it out with the current HOB and wait until I could get the Eheim Classic.

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    There are a lot of low cost canisters and they work fine. For me, a cascade or AquaTop - which run about $100 (the aquaTop has a built in UV system) - work very well. The key is buying cermic bio-chips. These give cansiters a huge ability to convert a lot of fish waste. Better units last longer but in performance, it is all bio-chips and flow volume - cost alone does not really change these parameters much.
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    I would recommend a Rena XP3 for your tank. However, you can not go wrong with the two filters you have already mentioned either
    Last edited by Cliff; 10-20-2012 at 12:31 AM.
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    Well I think now its pretty clear.... for the money canisters do seem to be the best option.

    From what I can tell on line none of these include any bio media is that a safe assumption? Would I need to order that as well?

    From what I have read ceramic seems to be the best type to use?

    Thanks for the help guys!
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    I'm pretty sure it doesn't come with any biological media. I got mine used and they all came with filter media. I just washed it all with distilled vinegar and RODI water, and it works just fine now.

    For the Eheim, here is all you need to know:

    http://www.drsfostersmith.com/produc...pid=PPC-G-4032

    The different media packs that are compatible with that filter are on the right side of the screen.

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    The Rena will come with some bio-media (the rena bio-stares), but the amount they give you is not enough and you will need to buy more

    I have seen some Ehein canister's advertized with some media as well. I can't remember which model that was tho.

    I use nothing but bio-media (bio-max rings) and sponges in all of my filters. Works great in all of my tanks
    If you take your time to do the research FIRST, you can successfully set-up and keep ANY type of aquarium with ease.
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    Ceramic noodles perform very well - avoid all plastic bio-balls/chips.
    Last edited by Cermet; 10-20-2012 at 12:55 AM.
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    A 75 gal with eight Discus, fake plants, and a lot of wood also with sand substrate. Clean up crew is down to just two Sterba's Corys. Filters: continuous new water flow; canister w/UV, in-tank algae scrubber!! Finally, junked the nitrate removal unit from hell.

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    You just need bio media and maybe coarse sponge. I would not purchase and fine filter media for the canisters.

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    The Eheim 2217 is now called the 600. I ordered one this week from Big Al's Pet Supplies online for $120. It comes with a full container of filter media, but I bet you could cram even more ceramic bits in there. The picture on the Eheim website doesn't show the two types of ceramic filter media you get but you can see it in illustration B1 on page 3 of the manual. I was pleasantly surprised by how heavy this canister is - must be about 15 pounds dry. I can see why it beats a HOB in shear volume. I can't stand the nuclear green Eheim tubes, spray bar, in intake so I'm planning a trip to the hardware store to create an alternative.
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