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08-17-2012, 05:12 AM #1
A couple of questions on fishless cycle
I've read how to Fishless Cycle and I've been reading several other threads about it, in addition to having several questions of my own, answered. I still had a couple of questions, however, that I suppose is specific to my needs:
I started dosing 4ppm ammonia, when I started. It took about a week and a half to 2 weeks before I started seeing nitrites. The first time I did and my ammonia dropped to 2ppm, I redosed to 4ppm again. The other day, my ammonia dropped to 0ppm, so I dosed to 2ppm. Today, my ammonia dropped to 0ppm and I dosed to 2ppm again. My nitrites have remained 5+ppm.
My question is this: Should I continue to dose 2ppm per day that my ammonia drops to 0ppm, until my nitrates spike, or should I drop the dose to 1ppm per day, and continue doing that until I add fish?
Once my cycle is complete, and I have a reading of nitrates with 0ppm ammonia & 0ppm nitrites, should I fully stock the aquarium or would it be safe to add a few fish at a time? If I add a few fish at a time, how should I continue to feed my bacteria colonies? I assume that only a few fish and their waste would pale in comparison to dosing with pure ammonia.
Thanks, as always!
08-17-2012, 05:32 AM #2
I think you should keep dosing 1 ppm until your nitrites drop to 0 along with the ammonia and get your nirate readings. Then your cycle should be done.I read that too much ammonia might shock the nitrifying bacteria. I'm not a chemist lol that's just what I read online. I believe you can all your whole stock after a big water change to lower your nitrates.
Google "ammonia fish less cycle" and new articles are constantly popping up.
Last edited by Gogi; 08-17-2012 at 05:39 AM.Roll the Dice!
08-17-2012, 05:34 AM #3
08-17-2012, 05:42 AM #4
Oops I edited that post Kevin. I ment 1 ppm and wrote the reason why. Sorry about thatRoll the Dice!
08-17-2012, 05:53 AM #5
0Originally Posted by Gogi
08-17-2012, 07:38 AM #6
If your nitrites are off the chart, a huge water change will help speed things up.Da name's Paul. Not Dave. ROFL
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08-17-2012, 01:48 PM #7
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08-17-2012, 02:01 PM #8
You are not "shocking it". When we say you are stalling the cycle it means you are adding ammonia to the point where it reads off the scale, 2ppm will not do that. There is no need to do a water change either. The ammonia is dropping to 0 each day and you have nitrates, the cycle is progressing fine. Just keep doing what you are doing. When the cycle is complete, the types of fish you want will determine how many you can stock at first. This is because your tank will be cycled but not mature. If you are worried about how high the nitrites are going then skip a day adding the ammonia, one day will not kill your cycle.People say if you can't say something nice then don't say anything at all... Then they wonder why am I so quiet.
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08-17-2012, 02:25 PM #9
0Originally Posted by 850R
"As the ammonia level decreases you will began to start testing daily for Ammonia and Nitrite levels. When you began to see nitrites on your tester, then only dose one/half of your starting dose. One time each day only."
That sounds fine, until you've read:
"You should be able to detect a rise in nitrites within 10-14 days as the Nitrobacter bacteria begans to grow. As those nitrites level rise, now is the time to reduce the amount of ammonia you are adding each day to perhaps one/half your starting dose. (Not reducing the ammonia at this point may inhibit your cycle from finishing.)" (which is the next paragraph)."
I'm not sure if the same thing is being said twice, or if the next paragraph is the next step. I first read this as continuing to dose at half my starting point of 4ppm and continue to dose at 2ppm. Then, after reading several other threads, I found that halving that to 1ppm was the correct measure (as was said in this thread).
I do know that there is still confusion on the thread, by the amount of questions concerning cycling. Sure, some people don't know the thread exists, but some have referenced it in their questions.
An end to the confusion must be had!
Don't take this the wrong way. The instructions are great, but I think it needs to be a little more clear (at least on that point) for those of us who are special. ;]
08-17-2012, 02:40 PM #10
0Originally Posted by pjaldave
Originally Posted by mommy1