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05-22-2012, 04:15 PM #1
bad fish or bad advice?
So - after much reading and considering, I bought a paradise fish to go in my 30 gal. Understood it was a good community fish and not aggressive. And he truly is gorgeous.
So when I took him out of QT this morning and put him in the 30 tank, he was fine with everyone (list in my signature line) except Poor Mad Max the betta. Max is not a fighter. He just likes to patrol his territory and look important.
The paradise fish badgered him relentlessly. He didn't bite or nip, just badgered (hunted actually) and Max ran every time. I made an extra cave of rocks, made sure there were plenty of hiding places but the Betta was in a panic. I tried it for about 4 hours and finally put the paradise back in the QT to give Max some rest
So - did I get bad info and I should return the paradise to the LFS? Or do you think I should try it again and things will eventually settle down if I just let them feel each other out long enough?
This tank and the combo of fish has worked great (luckily, as I have since learned that bettas sometimes don't do well in a CT and rarely do 3 dwarf male gouramis get along so well)
Any advice appreciated.
05-22-2012, 04:20 PM #2
You have 5 labyrinth fish in a small tank. That is not likely to go well. It may be fine now, but you could end up with just one in a flash.American League Champions! TIGERS!
05-22-2012, 04:23 PM #3
0Originally Posted by MLBfan300 gallon mega tank: sailfin pleco, clown loaches, silver dollars, roseline sharks, congo tetras, new world cichlids
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05-22-2012, 04:25 PM #4
From my understanding paradise fish are much like bettas, in that they don't do well with other similar fish. I would definitely rehome the paradise fish, unless you plan to start a new tank for him. They are beautiful fish, but I wouldn't consider them compatible with bettas or gouramis, on that note I'm surprised the betta and gouramis are getting along. Keep in mind that could change as they all mature. Always have a back up plan.Someday, when I have all the fish tanks I want, I hope to be featured on an episode of animal hoarders.
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05-22-2012, 04:32 PM #5
I was afraid of that. Drat. Thanks all. I'll leave him in the QT for a while and see what I can come up with. He's so gorgeous I hate to return him.
Plan to set up a 75 gal but that's a good month or so away so he may end up back at the LFS.
05-22-2012, 06:09 PM #6
Even with a 75G, i still wouldn't put multiple labyrinth fish together in the same tank. Let alone one, and get the gouramis or the betta back. Up to you which one you want best.
And wait, sorry can't just help myself not to see.. 5.5 gal FW male Betta, 8 neon tetras, ok, now you are cramming everything in that small tank. One betta is enough in a 5.5G.Da name's Paul. Not Dave. ROFL
Learn to give and take. That's how things should always work.
05-22-2012, 07:24 PM #7
Hi Paul, not Dave. I know. I never intended for the blue betta and the 8 neons to stay in the 5.5. That tank was for the betta but he wasn't doing well alone (he'd been in a split tank with the other betta until I realized they both needed more room.) Anyway, he was just mopping around and lying on the bottom. Mirrors didn't help. When I had to do a little shuffling I decided to put the neons in with him temporarily - and he perked up.
He honestly seems much more content, is more active - but not in a stressed way. He just patrols :o) Also, oddly enough, that's my most stable tank - perimeters are perfect and steady and I test regularly.
I'm watching it carefully but if they continue to get on this way I may leave them together ... even though I know it's not supposed to be ideal. I've had that betta for almost a year and he's never looked better.
so ... we'll see. But thanks so much for the advice.
As for the dwarf gourami's and the betta in the 30 - so far they are prefect tank mates. This is another betta that is not aggressive. I'll watch them but it will be very hard to take any of them back as they are beautiful fish and so far, well behaved. Again, we will see.
The paradise is definitely going back to the FS.
05-22-2012, 08:35 PM #8
I don't think that Paul was necessarily saying that the neons with the betta was the problem. Although that's usually risky, you probably just got a mild mannered betta. I think the comment was regarding the fact that a 5.5 gallon is just too small for 9 fish. As someone who has a large neon school i can tell you that they absolutely utilize every inch of their ten gallons, and sometimes i question if that is even enough space for them.
I have no experience with labyrinth fish, but my suspicion based on my own research is that you may one day wake up to find that one of your gouramis has killed the others, suddenly and unexpectedly.
Obviously we all have to find our own styles of fish keeping and sometimes we have to learn from firsthand what does and doesn't work. These are just my observations.~Manna
10 gallon live planted aquarium with 6 neons
90 gallon fw community in progress
05-22-2012, 09:08 PM #9
I have found from experience that paradise fish can be really nasty little things. I got given one when I was quote young for my goldfish tank, as they are sold as cold water fish here. It promptly killed all my large goldfish.
05-22-2012, 09:25 PM #10
again - thanks everyone. Still feeling my way along in this new and addictive hobby and so appreciate all of your wisdom and experience and kindness.