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04-26-2012, 04:25 PM #11
Originally Posted by leaveittoweaver
04-26-2012, 04:29 PM #12
leaveittoweaver - thanks for the response.
I wish that was the case with the 30 - but it's in a long nitrite spike right now - has been going on for over 10 days, so the tank had not been fully cycled before. Once this nitrite spike is over and I see some nitrates I will figure it's finally cycled. Only then will I add more fish - and even then very carefully.
I moved the guppies only once - but I agree. it was mostly likely stressful for them.
The gourami, however, was clearly in trouble. He appeared to be dying. I felt I had to do something and I'm glad I did because he's fine now.
Only time will tell if he stays that way.
04-26-2012, 10:25 PM #13
0Originally Posted by fishmommie
Good luck with your tanks and keep up with the water changes so it doesn't get too toxic in there! :D3 Gallon Planted Betta Tank
4 gallon planted Aqueon Evolve Dwarf Puffer Tank
04-26-2012, 10:41 PM #14
the 30 gal has been spiking nitrites and ammonia for over 10 days now. I'm sure that's why the gourami got so stressed and it's the reason I moved him - because I knew I had no nitrites and little ammonia in the 5 gal. I honestly think the move saved him and I love that little guy.
I'm working hard on the 30 to keep things in check with frequent W/C but every 3 - 4 days both the ammonia and nitrites are back up to .5. Hopefully I won't have much more than a week of this and the cycle will finally be done. When all is at 0/0/0 I'll make sure it's stable for a few days then I'll move the gourami back to the 30.
thanks for the good wishes and advice.
04-26-2012, 10:55 PM #15
Of course fish get stressed - they are being posioned! Moving fish to another uncycled tank is pointless - they will very soon be posioned in that tank too.
If you have a tank full of fish and are forced to cycle, then very large water changes are the ONLY method that works! I know, because I had to do it with a tank full of young discus.
Besides, the fish waste will feed the filter bacteria and no matter how hard you try, you will never beable to get the toxins down to zero - I did twice daily 90% water changes and still cycled the tank in under six weeks (normal time.)
Measure ammonia and nitrItes and keep them low (under 1 ppm ammonia and 0.3 ppm nitrItes.) Aim to lower the nitrites to a safer level because this is the most harmful waste, by far.
Ten days is just the start - rarely does one get a filter to cycle in under four weeks - sorry but bacteria have their own rules. Higher ammonia does not help and can slow the growth of the nitrite consuming bacteria.
A tank will NEVER have zero nitrAtes in an aquarium with fish unless you remove all the water and replace it with water that has no nitrAtes. You want zero ammonia and nitrItes; then the cycle will be done. Nitrates are the fianl product and are only removed by water changes.
You need to read and understand how to do a fish based cycle, because details are everything.
By the way, unless the 5 gal has a active fully cycled filter, then the 5 gal will crash in no time - watch that tank like a hawk and change 4 gallons every day. That will keep the fish healthy.
With no fish in the 30 gal, you need to dose ammonia or no cycle will occur and any current bacteria will die. Read the fishless cycling for that information.
Best of luck.
Last edited by Cermet; 04-26-2012 at 11:04 PM.Knowledge is fun(damental)
A 75 gal with eight Discus, fake plants, and a lot of wood also with sand substrate. Clean up crew is down to just two Sterba's Corys. Filters: continuous new water flow; canister w/UV, in-tank algae scrubber!! Finally, junked the nitrate removal unit from hell.
For Fishless cycling:http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aqua...ead.php?t=5640
04-26-2012, 11:23 PM #16
0Originally Posted by Cermet