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    The way I figure it, we give our dogs and horses fresh water. We clean our cats liter box so why should we give any less to our fish pets? It's just part of the care of them. I love doing water changes, honestly. The fish love it and are so happy and active after that why would I not?

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    I know for a fact there's enough people out there that like the next best thing when it comes to fish-keeping technology that there is more than one auto water change system. The theory behind it seems pretty simple, but I don't think I could build one without doing a bunch of research and sinking a good amount of money into building it. For the types of tanks I have, it's really not worth the time, money, and space to build such a contraption.

    As far as cycling a tank goes, you'd probably be disgusted at the amount of people I see coming into my work to buy fish and I overhear them say the best way to start up a fish tank is to keep throwing fish in until they stop dying. I try to educate most people that will take a minute to listen, but it's hard to change some peoples' train of thought when you only got a minute to talk to them while bagging fish as they're waiting to get out of the store as fast as possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SunSchein89
    I know for a fact there's enough people out there that like the next best thing when it comes to fish-keeping technology that there is more than one auto water change system. The theory behind it seems pretty simple, but I don't think I could build one without doing a bunch of research and sinking a good amount of money into building it. For the types of tanks I have, it's really not worth the time, money, and space to build such a contraption.

    As far as cycling a tank goes, you'd probably be disgusted at the amount of people I see coming into my work to buy fish and I overhear them say the best way to start up a fish tank is to keep throwing fish in until they stop dying. I try to educate most people that will take a minute to listen, but it's hard to change some peoples' train of thought when you only got a minute to talk to them while bagging fish as they're waiting to get out of the store as fast as possible.
    Yeah its kinda sad that a creatures size and/or ability to communicate with man is the main guide man uses to asses its importance and intelligence. New studies are showing some species of fish to be as smart as dogs and cats!! Even if they aren't as intelligent I figure all forms of life deserve respect.
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    My dad never cycles his tanks prior to adding fish and his fish never die during the first few months.

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    Quote Originally Posted by james20
    My dad never cycles his tanks prior to adding fish and his fish never die during the first few months.
    They may not die but they do suffer and will have chronic health problems/shorter lifespan. The ammonia that is present during the cycle will burn the gills. This makes it difficult for the fish to breath. Just becuase you can not see a problem does not mean it is not there. Sorry if I come off strongly on this. But I am more sensitive to this becuase of my health problems. For years drs would not belive me or say I was making it up/all in my head.
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    That's exactly right and furthermore, where they often get Ick, pop eye, fin rot, etc, due to their weakened immume systems.

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    Cycling a tank with fish and having them live proves just that, they survived.

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    Quote Originally Posted by james20
    My dad never cycles his tanks prior to adding fish and his fish never die during the first few months.
    There is a "Scientific" way of doing things and there is a "Traditional" way of doing things. And there is a "Lucky" way of doing things. I wont go into "Lucky". The first two aren't always the same. Some traditions are deeply rooted in science and others are less associated with science. If no fish die when your dad sets up a new tank then I can scientifically deduct that he does the following:
    Does not overstock
    Does frequent water changes
    Feeds sparingly
    Only Stocks very hardy fish

    Now your dad may call this simply "his" way, it is in fact his "traditional" method, we basically add a few more things in to the program for testing and other considerations and call it "Cycling with fish"...lol

    Someone not having this tradition to rely on or who wants to deviate in any way from this tradition needs additional information in order to avoid the strong possibility of loosing fish to disease. This is why the "Scientific" method is preferred by most informed aquarists thus getting predictable results from specific effort.
    Last edited by tanks4thememories; 03-17-2010 at 11:20 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cliff
    I really hate to date myslef like this, but until a short while ago, I never heard of it either. When I started in the hobby, I only heard of the "new tank syndrome" as other has explained. Then by spending years of going to big chain LSF with employees to knew less than me, I didn't learn about cycling until I went to a LFS that had a employee with excellent knowledge.

    Now that I know better, I'm a little surprised by the amount of poeple who look at me like I have two heats when I talk about cycling
    Kind of in the same boat, i didn't know about cycling until i came to this website. Lucky for me, my tank didn't need to be cycled, as it came cycled from the previous owner!

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    He doesn't start with "hardy" fish or anything, just the ones he wants. There's never any deaths or big things. Odd... The tank he currently has is 2 years old, and by the smell of it, it's mature (earthy smell).

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