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    My mom has four 55 gallon tanks and a few small ones.

    My friend has a 30 gallon tank.

    My coworker has two 10 gallon tanks and a 20 gallon.

    None of these people have ever heard about the cycle of a fish tank. They all started from scratch and just put fish in the tank. My mom, friend, and coworker all have had their tanks for years and their fish have always been perfectly fine.

    Why is this? How is it possible that these successful fish keepers don't even know what a cycle or nitrogen cycle is. None of them have heard of nitrites or nitrates before. They all laugh at me.

    What's the deal here. I already know that completing a cycle is vital for fish health, but how come they were clueless and they had perfect fish? They all have angelfish, tetras, tiger barbs, mollies, and loaches. What's the story? haha
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    Because things are different from what they were years ago. When the fishless cycle got a footing into the hobby, people learned that they could cycle a fishtank in a couple weeks, stock it fully and be done with it. Others, before knowing the benefit of cycling first, stocked slowly, did 100 water changes and didn't have a cycled tank for 3 months.

    You still do not need to cycle and can cycle with your fish if you do it right. It's just harder on the fish.

    Many years back, in Asia, people kept fish without filters or heaters. They just did big water changes every other day. Does that mean that not having heaters or filters now is OK because back then they did not?

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    Most people used to go through what they called "new tank syndrome" in which they add fish and they die off and they keep doing that until one day the die-off stops. (Cycling done)

    Its cycling a tank with fish and not doing waterchanges, in other words cycling the tank at the cost of living animals when a hose is right there... just, perhaps the knowledge was not.

    The good news is, now the knowledge is out there and quite available with the internet

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Hobbs
    Because things are different from what they were years ago. When the fishless cycle got a footing into the hobby, people learned that they could cycle a fishtank in a couple weeks, stock it fully and be done with it. Others, before knowing the benefit of cycling first, stocked slowly, did 100 water changes and didn't have a cycled tank for 3 months.

    You still do not need to cycle and can cycle with your fish if you do it right. It's just harder on the fish.

    Many years back, in Asia, people kept fish without filters or heaters. They just did big water changes every other day. Does that mean that not having heaters or filters now is OK because back then they did not?
    This is awesome. Thanks for the information about filters and stuff. I mean, it's obvious thinking about it now, but it's interesting.

    So now I'm on a thinking spree.

    Asia: No Filters ----> Huge Water Changes fixed it

    Recently: Slow and Gradual Fish Cycle ----> Ammonia fishless cycle fixed it

    Now that we have fixed the issue with filters, cycling, and such... their is one major issue still present.... Water changes for Nitrates.

    We should develop a new way to prevent water changes... something that either stabilizes nitrates or does the water changes for us.

    What if we created a pump that on a time clock schedule calculated the specific amount of water to be changed on a weekly basis. For instance, a pump that was connected to the tank that took out 25% and then put 25% back in automatically every week.

    I'm just bored at work thinking, but do you think it could be possible.

    It could be far fetched, but people probably thought ammonia drops in water was far fetched and ridiculous when it first came out as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SW Florida Kid
    This is awesome. Thanks for the information about filters and stuff. I mean, it's obvious thinking about it now, but it's interesting.

    So now I'm on a thinking spree.

    Asia: No Filters ----> Huge Water Changes fixed it

    Recently: Slow and Gradual Fish Cycle ----> Ammonia fishless cycle fixed it

    Now that we have fixed the issue with filters, cycling, and such... their is one major issue still present.... Water changes for Nitrates.

    We should develop a new way to prevent water changes... something that either stabilizes nitrates or does the water changes for us.

    What if we created a pump that on a time clock schedule calculated the specific amount of water to be changed on a weekly basis. For instance, a pump that was connected to the tank that took out 25% and then put 25% back in automatically every week.

    I'm just bored at work thinking, but do you think it could be possible.

    It could be far fetched, but people probably thought ammonia drops in water was far fetched and ridiculous when it first came out as well.

    They do have systems that do auto water changes. Usually custom set ups though.
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    I really hate to date myslef like this, but until a short while ago, I never heard of it either. When I started in the hobby, I only heard of the "new tank syndrome" as other has explained. Then by spending years of going to big chain LSF with employees to knew less than me, I didn't learn about cycling until I went to a LFS that had a employee with excellent knowledge.

    Now that I know better, I'm a little surprised by the amount of poeple who look at me like I have two heats when I talk about cycling
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    They do have systems that do auto water changes. Usually custom set ups though.
    costom setups iv heard of iv heard usually involve turning the valve n regulating water input and output...( input, hose connect to tap. output, hose leading out to garden) Never heard of auto water chages.

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    I got my start by getting a hand-me-down tank from a friend. He helped me fill it up with water and told me I needed a dechlorinator. I went to the fish store the next day and told them I wanted some fish. The employee asked me how long the tank had been set up, seemed a little distressed, and then gave me a bottle of cycling bacteria*. I had never heard of cycling, and I'm not sure my friend who I got the tank from had either. The common perception is that you can take water, put fish in it, and you have a fish tank! It takes a good bit more reading to start to learn that there are healthier but more time consuming ways of doing things.

    *I know now that the BEST thing that employee could have done would have been to send me home with some ammonia, a test kit, and no fish, but a store has to make a profit and I imagine taking a hard line on fishless cycling would be bad for business. She did advise me to get only a few fish and not to add to it for a while. I think the bottled bacteria doesn't have a very good rep on these forums but it seemed to do the job fairly well.

    Also - my wife had a fish tank when she was a kid. Her father made her take all the fish out once a week, and clean the tank (presumably with soap or some other kind of cleaning agent), then put the fish back in with new water. Can't imagine how those fish lived for any significant length of time.
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    Water changes do more than just taking out nitrates. It also removes hormones/phermones released by the fish and replaces electolights and minrules.
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    I'm making long term plans for my 135G tank. I'm going all DIY to cut costs but it's going to eventually change out 5-10Gal of water a day and autofill with RO. It's not really complicated to make a system that automatically does water changes, you just need a supply and waste water lines to handle the water. A float in the sump handles refilling and a tiny powerhead/pump on a timer handles getting rid of tank water.

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