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02-09-2010, 11:56 PM #11
I also found out last year that my beardie was a male(Petstore checked him, said he was a male)so we have three males. The bearded dragons are not adults yet, so i'm enjoying the fact that the three can be together without fighting. Tomorrow I'll get some pics of pancakes tank.
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02-10-2010, 12:38 AM #12
Yeah I agree with annageckos entirely on her comments. Beardies do alright together up to a point, but they grow up fast and will soon stress each other out. Also, a 40 gallon cage is normally a minimum most people recommend just for one beardie. A lot of places I've heard from say to go 55+ when they reach adulthood. In the wild these animals do not roam around in packs together so it really is best to keep them separate until it's breeding season and they're both of appropriate breeding weights, even then you only keep them together for a relatively short span of time until you know the female is most likely gravid. Calcium sand is known to cause impaction, less so than some others, but the risk is definitely still there. Just because it has calcium does not mean it is good to ingest either. Play sand works pretty good for adult beardies, but for youngsters like you have, I'd definitely go with either paper towels or cut slate from home depot or any other hardware store. The slate will also help keep the nails trim naturally. Most people think beardies are desert animals and therefore live on sand, but this is false, most of them live on compacted clay like earth. Also, check out lizard-landscapes.com if you want to learn how to make your own custom rock pieces. I did this for my beardie and I also used this technique to make up his ground since it is entirely safe. Here's a picture of it...
Keep researching your beardies, most definitely if you're planning on breeding, there's a whole lot to learn about them. Diet, temperatures for different ages, and housing requirements are the major ones you should look into. For instance a juvenile's diet is made up of about 80% insects and 20% greens that need to be offered fresh daily. Also when young, they need to eat at least twice to three times a day. When a beardie gets older those percentages swap and they will eat mostly greens. Make sure you find out which greens you should be feeding as well because some are not nutritional or bad for your pet. Younger beardies also require hotter basking temps than adults do. Those are some major points that most people aren't really aware of. Hope I could help out some even though you didn't ask for it, just lookin out for your pets' health. Nice looking beardies though! They're always cute when they're young.
Edit: Just saw your post about them all being males. You most definitely want to separate them soon. Males will be very aggressive and territorial towards each other and you'll end up with a dead one in no time.
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02-10-2010, 12:51 AM #13
0Originally Posted by aquatic lover
Edit: Saw that you saw and edited. Just making sure.A severe lack of trichogaster.
Just because your Gourami is sick does not mean it is always Iridovirus, DGIV, Gourami Disease, et cetera.
Look at all the other factors in your tank before coming to this conclusion.
02-10-2010, 06:58 AM #14
Thanks for the tips guys, I will surely keep them in mind. Im a little confused on the sand, people have told me that it's not good to use playsand because if it gets wet it clays up. other people say to use calcisand and a mix of regular sand because it doesn't clay up much and that it's better? I know impaction is serious and a lot people say just to monitor your beardie. So far I have not seen my beardie eating sand and I feed him outside of the tank. Newspaper is good but people say that sand is better than newspaper, but newspaper is easier to clean up. I'll definately do some more research on the sand thing.crab freak!
02-10-2010, 07:25 AM #15
As far as newspaper goes I personally don't feel comfortable with all of that ink, especially if it gets wet, but people have been using the stuff for awhile and I haven't heard any actual problems with it myself. I haven't really looked for it either. With that being said, any sand whatsoever has a risk of impaction. Play sand is not toxic at all and, from what I hear, has the least risk of impaction. All beardies also have a tendency to lick things to explore their environment, especially when they're young, so this is a good reason not to use sand at a younger age. Feeding outside of the cage is definitely a good idea and you should keep that up since that is the easiest way for them to ingest any loose substrate at all. Honestly, slate pieces are just as easy to clean up with a paper towel as it is to take out newspaper that is defecated on. As long as you periodically sanitize the slate you're set. Not to mention it's much more cost effective and safe to buy a few pieces of slate and a bunch of paper towels than constantly buying sand; the slate itself is surprisingly cheap.There's really a good amount of things out there that are non-toxic and you can use as substrate. The hard part is just finding something that is also aesthetically pleasing at the same time. If you put your mind to it they can be found, though. Look around on the internet for images of beardie setups and you can find some nice looking ones that use slate or other non-loose substrate, but still look natural and pleasing.
Just so you can see first hand what impaction looks like here's a pretty extreme example of someone who used play sand topped with a layer of calci-sand
All of those brighter white parts of the x-ray are entirely ingested sand. Here is the article I got it from too which goes into a good deal about impaction and actually offers another article which goes into even further detail about it... Impaction. I'd recommend at least reading the first one it only takes a couple minutes.
Luckily this beardie survived after his trip to the vet.
02-10-2010, 09:18 PM #16
0Originally Posted by SunSchein89
beardies came to us with sleight MBD and he gets liquid calcium everyday. We try to give them as much calcium as they need. Will they be less likely to ingest sand because of this? We haven't seen them eating sand at all and our beardies are doing pretty good.crab freak!
02-10-2010, 09:55 PM #17
It looks great!! I have never kept anything like that! I think it would be pretty cool! Good luck with it!
02-11-2010, 04:44 AM #18
0Originally Posted by aquatic lover
Some beardies can grow up their entire lives without ever having a problem with sand, but the risk is always there and the more you can minimize it, the better.
02-13-2010, 04:56 AM #19
0Originally Posted by SunSchein89crab freak!
02-13-2010, 07:32 AM #20
Any time . Unfortunately, my beardie died awhile back from what I think was parasites so I'll do what I can do to help a fellow owner. I rescued him from a petco that was holding him for adoption. Some young kid had him previously, decided he didn't want him anymore, and threw him outside. The mom found him a week later severely dehydrated and skinny as a rail. Once I got a hold of him he slowly got back to a normal weight and was growing rather nicely then one day he got sick, threw up, and died within 24 hours; didn't even get a chance to take him to the vet the next day. His stools were always kind of runny towards the end which is what led me towards thinking parasites along with the fact that he was outside for a long period of time. Everything else checked out with his feeding and husbandry. Anyway, enough of my ranting, hope your dragon fares better than mine did. They're definitely really fun pets to have if you have the time and money for them.