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  1. #21

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    Lifespan is a good factor indetermining quality of life, but not the only. Just because someone's oscar lived in a 40 for 15 years doesn't mean it was any good for them. For the most part lifespan is a good way to determine it, but not the only thing. Just like the fastest growth isn't necessarily the best growth.

    Another issue is hibernation. Animals that hibernate tend to live longer when they hibernate as opposed to when they do not. This doesn't necessarily mean they didn't have an even better life because they didn't hibernate, but there are other things to determine.

    I just don't see any evidence that a well-maintained tank or pond is any better or worse because it is warmer.
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  2. #22

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    Of course there are a myriad of others factors that come into play...very difficult to account for all variables...

    I just don't see any evidence that a well-maintained tank or pond is any better or worse because it is warmer.

    Yes, you can say that...but by the same token, you can also say there's no evidence to suggest temperature isn't a factor in overall well being...

    Unless someone does experiments, all we have is conjecture. And based on my knowledge base, I do think temperature plays an important role.
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  3. #23

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    Merry Christmas - Abbeys_Mom Great advice thanks - nraposa Thanks for helping me with my cichlids - Drumachine09 Always good answers - Lady Hobbs You dont have enough gifts. - Drumachine09 
    Thanks for your help again. - Lady Hobbs goodbye reptileguy....hello Fishguy - Lady Hobbs For always giving me great answere's on my PM's. Thanks for all the help! - cocoa_pleco Thanks For Your Help & Knowledge! :) - MeganL3985 For weakening me against axolotls!!!!!!! - Nick_Pavlovski 
    I am baking today and figured I'd share...Thanks for Always Helping when it's needed! - **AquaQueen** For recommending Fluvals and Stealths - Lady Hobbs Merry Christmas :) - MeganL3985 Merry Christmas! - RichBowyer Thanks for the hikari help - Billythefish 
    No Message - LORENZO Merry Christmas - Northernguy merry christmas.. a fellow fishnutter. - LORENZO merry christmas.. a fellow fishnutter. - LORENZO Merry X-Mas!! - The Red Severum 

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    I just found a study in a scientific journal (Aquaculture Nutrition) partially about the effects of temperature on color development. It found that the best temperatires for pigment development were 78-86F. The other part of the study found that the best carotenoid concentration was with astaxanthin diets. Obviously pigment does not equal health, but I thought I would post this as it is somewhat related.
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  4. #24

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    for posting that article, I laughed so much!!!!!!!! - ScottishFish Kick back and enjoy the day when your done your painting - Cliff thanks for the rep! - EowynShieldmaiden Otis thanks you for the rep - Cliff This one will have a longer life span, sorry to hear about your fish - Cliff 
    For being a smarty pants and figuring out my riddle so fast! :) - escamosa The last one of these Ill ever give! Enjoy the AC bucks Rue! - smaug Yes, there is still a place in today's world for the  Darwin Awarads - Cliff Thanks for the Rep!!! :) - C-Dub Merry Christmas - Cliff 
    Merry Christmas Rue - jeffs99dime Holiday Ham has come today from the eve until Boxing Day! - Trillianne Merry Cristmas and Happy Holidays Rue. - Strider199 It's a Christmas Bunny, Merry Christmas. - gadget228 lol, thanks for the rep.  Have one on me! =] - KevinVA 
    Merry Christmas - Cliff Thanks!  You have a great holiday season as well! - sheamurai Merry Christmas - gadget228 What is a good Holiday Ham to do, but bring some cheer to my good friend Rue! - Trillianne Just Because - Surfdog 
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    For what it's worth, carotenoid levels in developing ducks can be an indicator of health...

    ...but that's a total aside...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fishguy2727
    Trust me, I count anything that brings the quality of life down from ideal as harm. I have not seen anything that tells me there is harm when they are properly cared for and the temperature happens to be warmer than they are classically kept in. Some of the best good old-fashioned orange goldfish I have seen were in an outdoor pond in Florida just outside of the Everglades. Obviously with an outdoor pond there are other factors, but it shows that the temperature will not necessarily do any harm.
    I'd vouch for this. I live in the topics (Philippines) and I've kept goldfish (when I was a breeder) for 7 years in an outdoor pond with no filtration and no aeration.
    You only need to change water(20%) every week and put in lots of live plants(a tricky thing to do since Goldies tend to be voracious plant eaters).

    Oh yeah, I'm getting back into Goldie breeding(just starting out again) with the same formula. Outdoor pond, no filtration and no aerators.
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