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    I have a 25 gallon tank which I clean every 7-10 days w/ 40% water changes and have been adding Seachem's Flourish and Excel for my plants with water changes and stress guard with water changes and about every other day as some of my guppies tails are a little bit up looking. Water parameters are: Nitrate 15 ppm, Nitrite 0, temperature 80deg. I have 1 albino teminicki pleco, 6 neon tetras, 3 cardinals, 3 male guppies and baby guppies (4, 2m.o. and 4, 1 m.o).

    I have a couple neon tetras that are continuing to eat bubbles thinking they're food and giving themselves swim bladder. I didn't feed them for 2 days and they are still having this condition. It seems to be the same 2 lil stinkers that partake in these shenanigans and get themselves into a kerfuffle. Not sure what I can do to help them from themselves? All my other ones have normal looking stomachs and these 2 look slightly bloated. In the morning they are better, but when the light turns on and they go into eating mode they're after the bubbles. Any ideas? It's getting painful to watch them struggle.

    Thank you so much!

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    Welcome to the AC, a few questions:

    How long has the tank been set up?...by "clean" the tank, what do you mean?...what test kit do you use, and what is your ammonia reading?...what water conditioner do you use?

    "Eating bubbles" will not cause swim bladder disease, that I know of...neon tetras are notorious for having issues, they are overbred and usually not given the best care at the shops...do an internet search for "neon tetra disease"
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    I apologize I'm still trying to navigate these threads and I think I replied to the wrong thing. I set the tank up early October of last year and cycled it before adding fish in November. I clean the tank by sucking up 40% of the water and syphoning some muck from the gravel.

    I recently used the api test kit and my ammonia reading was somewhere between 0 and .25 (it was still yellow but not as dark yellow as on the color key and no green tinge like the .25 reading). Typically I use tetra's dip sticks to monitor the nitrites and nitrates.

    I use Seachem's Prime to condition my water and also Stability with water changes to boost the good bacteria.

    It doesn't look like neon tetra disease. Not really any symptoms or visual markers. (no white spots, color fade, spinal deformity) Definitely swim bladder issue and again it goes away overnight as they're not struggling in the morning. It seems to worsen over the course of the day for these 2.

    Now, I also have a male blue moscow guppy who seems to be getting old? A couple months ago he got little pits or divets behind his eye (which I heard can be a sign of old age) and lately he has begun to loose some of his bright blue scales off his back and as of yesterday his back is starting to arch causing him to wobble swim. Not sure if that paints any more of a picture to the tank situation, but that's what's up.

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    You replied correctly, no problem.

    Ditch the test strips, the liquid test is much more accurate...any time you suspect ammonia, do a water change, and treat with Prime for the entire volume of the tank (1 ml/10G)...aa medicinal syringe works great for measuring Prime accurately...also, be certain your filter media never dries out during a WC, keep it submerged either in the filter, or in a bowl of old tank water

    As far as the neons, I'm not much help with fish diseases, I would just keep the water clean as possible for them...as I mentioned earlier, neons nowadays can have lots of issues, straight from the store
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    Any idea about the arched back for the guppy? Does that happen with old age? It seems like his tail is weighing him down when he's tired. He will lift it on occasion to "perk up" around the other fish so they don't pick on him. I'm almost thinking of euthanizing him today as he seems super tired and is starting to hide. I don't want him to be picked on and scared for the remainder of his life. Do you know many drops of clove oil per 8oz of water?

    Neons are all good again this morning with no swim bladder struggles. Same pattern continuing. 2 are up to eating bubbles again and late afternoon will be fighting to stay down!

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    That is really crazy about those neons, I've never seen or heard of that before.

    The guppy may have a genetic mutation or issue with the spine, very common with those fish.

    See links below for more info.

    https://fishlab.com/humanely-euthanize-fish/

    https://guppyexpert.com/guppy-fish-bent-spine/
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    Where are these air bubbles coming from? If you have a air stone in the tank I would remove it and that should solve the air bubble issue. Bubbles from water changes usually go away withing hours; definitely would be gone the next day.

    Agree with the comments about neons being overbred and prone to issues, cardinals are slightly better choices but are also starting to be overbred as well.
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    Thank you both for your replies and ideas. The air bubbles are coming from my filter. I have the water level down about 2 inches so it can aerate the water as I thought it was better for mixing the water and infusing some oxygen for the fish.

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    It's actually better to have the water surface right at the lip of the filter, you'll get better surface agitation that way....better agitation = better gas exchange
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    Well, that will solve that problem then! Thank you.

    The guppy doesn't have a genetic mutation-it was fine when I got him-and he can also straighten it out if he works to, just seems like it is taking more work to hold his heavy tail up. It's not scoliotic like the link you sent. just a tired arch. Just wondering what signs fish present with old age vs disease...

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