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    Default Ready to give up... Will not cycle. Not having fun!


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    Where to begin, I have watched every video and read everything I come across and the cycle will not kick in. Here is what I am doing, what is missing??? I have been looking at a fishless tank for 8 weeks.

    20 Gallon tank
    has gravel 4-6 plastic plants, some decorations and sponge bob house
    temp is constant at 76 degrees on 100W thermometer, I know it will go faster with a higher temp, but this is a preset heater and not too cold to help growth.
    water has been dechlorinated with API stress coat, slightly above dosing requirements in case it was hard city water
    125GPH filter with activated charcoal
    airstone runs day and night, lights are off and generally dark in there every day
    I have used 3 bacteria starters, API quick start, seachem stability, and start-smart complete. There is zero indication anything is happening, I have burned through almost all of it. Sometimes I added double. I have never seen a nitrite read positive, the ammonia never moves. I was at 4ppm, lowered it to about 1 ppm by water change once after a month of waiting in case it was too toxic, so it still hovers around 1 PPm and stays there. I added straight ammonia no surfactants or detergents.
    I have the API freshwater kit for testing, PH is also stable at 7.6

    Does anybody see any steps missing?? Plz help

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    Welcome to the AC.

    What is your reading for ammonia, trItes, and trAtes from your source water?...tap, well?

    None of the chemicals you have added are true dechlorinators.

    What kind of filter do you have? Is the charcoal the only media in the filter?

    If I were you, I'd empty the tank and start over, way too much stuff in there now to get an accurate assessment of where you stand with beginning a cycle.

    You need an adjustable heater, the water needs to be at 82F...if your house gets cold in the wintertime, you're gonna need one anyway

    You don't need bacteria boosters of any kind, IME....all you need is a good water conditioner (Seachem Prime) and pure ammonia

    How much ammonia did you add to start with?...what brand is it?
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    to AC!
    I agree with what Slap said. The first thing I noticed is that you didn't use a dechlorinator. Seachem Prime is an excellent dechlorinator.
    I would suggest that you start over with new water. Read the link that Slap provided above about fishless cycling. Use pure ammonia (no additives) to start the cycling process. I don't know where you live but Ace Hardwares carries it in the cleaning supply section.

    Some people have had good results cycling their tanks using Seachem Stability but I think they also have access to cycled media from another tank to help boost the process.

    Please give us more info so we can help you: exactly what filter are you using and what type of media is in the filter. You do not need charcoal at this time.

    What water test kits do you have? Liquid tests are better than the strips https://www.amazon.com/API-FRESHWATE...water+test+kit

    Also, once you start the cycling process do not do any water changes during the process.
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    Thanks you all so much for taking a look at my case. My little girl is counting on me, and I look like an abject failure! lol

    I believed I had a dechlorinator, it is called API Stress Coat. It specifically says removes chloramine and chlorine, but I kept believing chloring was the issue killing the bacteria. My tap water is dead-on 0 for ammonia, 0 nitrates, and 0 nitrites and PH is right around 7.0. Should I get a new dechlorinator, this API Stress Coat is not good?

    I am just using the filter the kit came with, a 125GPH filter with a thin white catridge that I believe is charcoal in it, and a very small rectangle filter that is more like a porous spongs as the water leaves the filter returning back into the tank. It has turned a beige color so I was hoping it was building waste/bacteria.

    I have the API FGresh water kit and use it often and exactly as it states.

    By luck, I have the ACE hardware 10% pure ammona, same bottle I see many on Youtube using, looks like 0 suds and is fierce to inhale.

    I will get a better heater, no problem. Got to get that temp up. Mine is all pre-set and won't get higher than 76 degrees I check it with a good quality digital meat thermometer by Weber BBq.

    Thanks, did I miss anything?

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    I'm in the middle of a water change, I'll get back with you shortly
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    The API Stresscoat will work for now, but invest in a bottle of the Prime, it's the best water conditioner out there, most of us here use it...it does what the SC does, and alot more

    Tank for your daughter, eh?....that's how I got into the hobby, and 4 tanks later, I still want more, lol...BUT, I was forced into a fish-in cycle, since she decided to buy a tank "kit" on her own, and fish the same day!...of course, the people at the pet store told her it was perfectly fine, and sold her a bunch of stuff she didn't need...it's a common occurrence..most people at the LFS (local fish store) have no clue how to successfully keep fish, but they sure know how to sell you stuff...you can read about my first fish adventure in the 10G journal in my sig below...I had no clue what I was doing, but the fine folks here helped me out tremendously...kudos to you going the fishless route, it's easier for you and causes no stress to new fish

    For now, until you get the adjustable heater, I'd just leave the tank alone. Find out what brand and model # the filter is, it should be marked somewhere, and let us know here....or post a pic of it

    FYI, ordering fish stuff online is usually much cheaper than buying locally.

    Once you get the heater (I'd go ahead and get the Prime, if you are making an online order), we're gonna start over, empty the tank, use ammonia (you got the good stuff already) and Prime only, raise the temp to 82F, and I bet you're cycled in a week or two.....the bacteria you will be growing occur naturally, no need to add anything else

    Get some medicinal syringes (with a child, you may have some already), we're gonna want to dose the ammonia and Prime precisely...they're usually marked in increments of ml, which is perfect...and they also are very handy for precise filling of tank water for your test kit vials

    Good luck, cycling a tank is not hard, but takes patience, like we say in the hobby, "nothing good happens fast in fishkeeping"
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    A couple of things:

    First, if you aren't cycling with fish, you don't need to do water changes during the cycle. That's only necessary if there are fish in the tank that could be excessively stressed by the rising ammonia and nitrites. Water changes would help alleviate some of that stress.

    Second, you need biobeads in your filter to give the bacteria something to grow on. Charcoal, or carbon, isn't necessary in a filter unless you are trying to remove medications or other chemical additives. Remove your charcoal and add the beads. You should be able to get them at any good LFS.

    And, as has been stated, you need to dechlorinate with Prime.

    Yes, I would start over, at this point.

    Hope this helps ...
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    Thanks for this help I will try that product called Prime. My filter is called the Aqueon quiet flow LED. I ordered the Prime Ill let you know what happens, thanks for this solid advice!!!

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    Matt, can you also post the link to figure out how much ammonia to add....I can't find it off hand.
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