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    Quote Originally Posted by MasterJedi View Post
    Also, looking at going with eco complete, trying to remember what the guy said I should also use from the LFS yesterday. He recommended some other type of substrate to put as a base layer with the eco complete over so there wouldn't be an acid drop. Anyone know what he means? Guy did seem to know what he was talking about, runs all the planted tanks at this place.
    I never had an issue with the pH when using Eco. There might be some extra carbonates that raise your hardness for a little bit, but some water changes should take care of that fairly quickly. Eco is not considered an active/buffering substrate, so I'm a bit confused as to what your LFS guy was concerned about.

    I had some good experiences with Eco, although I no longer use it. Plants grew fine in it and I had a lush dwarf baby tears carpet with the stuff, but I stopped using it due to the rough edges of the larger gravel pieces. When I tried growing plants that were more delicate in it, the rough top layer would chew up the stems of my dainty plants like didiplis diandra and rotala wallichii as they swayed in the water current. If you're going to be growing robust plants you shouldn't have a problem, though.



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    I've used CaribSea substrates in all of my tanks. I have Eco Complete in a couple, the dry Tahitian Moon Sand in a couple and I have the Tahitian Moon Instant Aquarium and the Sunset Gold Instant Aquarium in a couple of others. I've never had to rinse any of these - which was a big plus for me - and have great plant growth with little to no fertilizers.

    These products are more pricey than something like pool filter sand, but I really like them all. I don't think you can go wrong with Eco Complete, but I also wonder what your local guy is suggesting to add. I haven't added anything to any of my tanks with CaribSea substrates.

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    I'll have to go back soon and review what it is they mentioned. I know where it is in the shop, just can't remember the name.

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    Finally was able to get back to the store, in the end he was recommending using a base of fluorite sand and then the eco complete over that. Thoughts?

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    The two are different grain sizes and will mix over time. You will be 100% with Eco alone. Is he recommending the sand for a particular reason? I never had issues with rooted plants in Eco, stem plants never did very well due to the grain size and the loaches and plecos I had in the tank pulling them out before they could get established.

    He may recommend sand for the stem plants. You can go with something less pricey than the Flourite if that's the case. Eco doesn't need any additional nutrient rich substrates so a plain sand would work if you need the finer stuff for the stems.

    I just set up my first tank with sand, and my plants are doing very well so far. Eco would break the bank if I used it in all my tanks. So I an switching to sand.
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    Finally was able to get back to the store, in the end he was recommending using a base of fluorite sand and then the eco complete over that. Thoughts?
    Not required, in my opinion. I'd think that they would start to get mixed together anyway, as you start planting and even more so if you decide to move stuff around later. Here's what Seachem's site says about Flourite sand - more effective when used alone:

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    Flourite® Black Sand is a specially fracted stable porous clay gravel for the natural planted aquarium. Its appearance is best suited to planted aquaria, but may be used in any freshwater aquarium environment. Flourite® Black Sand is most effective when used alone as an integral substrate bed, but it may be mixed with other gravels. Gravel modifiers such as laterite are not necessary. Flourite® Black Sand is not chemically coated or treated and will not alter the pH of the water. Flourite® Black Sand is good for the life of the aquarium and need not be replaced."

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    Around 6 or 7 dollars for a 50# bag, I have this in 2 of my tanks:

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    Quote Originally Posted by SueD View Post
    Not required, in my opinion. I'd think that they would start to get mixed together anyway, as you start planting and even more so if you decide to move stuff around later. Here's what Seachem's site says about Flourite sand - more effective when used alone:

    "Description
    Flourite® Black Sand is a specially fracted stable porous clay gravel for the natural planted aquarium. Its appearance is best suited to planted aquaria, but may be used in any freshwater aquarium environment. Flourite® Black Sand is most effective when used alone as an integral substrate bed, but it may be mixed with other gravels. Gravel modifiers such as laterite are not necessary. Flourite® Black Sand is not chemically coated or treated and will not alter the pH of the water. Flourite® Black Sand is good for the life of the aquarium and need not be replaced."
    The reason he gave (didn't speak with him about it this time) was that it would prevent an acid drop. He did have all his tanks this way in store that were show tanks with a Flourite sand base and a cap of eco complete. However, from what everyone is saying here it doesn't seem necessary and I can just go with the eco complete.

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