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    I am perplexed...maybe someone can help.

    I am using Dr.Tim's ammonium chloride to cycle my tank + Seachem Stability for supplemental bacteria.

    1st day: I added (72 hours ago) cycled media ( a sponge from my 30 gallon and a whole tray of bio-media from my 60 gallon) and enough ammonia to reach 2ppm. Temperature at 80 degrees.

    2nd day: Stability

    3rd day : Stability. After 72 hours, the ammonia is still at 2ppm, nitrItes 0, and nitrAtes at 0.
    Do I just leave it alone or should I add more ammonia?

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    stability bacteria may be dead already. The shelf life at room temperature maybe less than 6 months.

    do not add more ammonia, it wont speed up the cycle.

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    Have any air stone going? Just have to wait it out when it comes to cycling. Also out of curiosity what's the pH ?

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    Leave it alone, raise the temp tp 84F, and get an airstone going, as Joe suggested.

    I've never used those bottled bacteria products, they are unnecessary and a waste of $

    For ammonia source, I use this, around $3 a bottle, and a quart lasts for many, many cycles in different tanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by ApistoJoe View Post
    Have any air stone going? Just have to wait it out when it comes to cycling. Also out of curiosity what's the pH ?
    Yes, air-stone is going and pH is at 7.5.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slaphppy7 View Post
    Leave it alone, raise the temp tp 84F, and get an airstone going, as Joe suggested.

    I've never used those bottled bacteria products, they are unnecessary and a waste of $

    For ammonia source, I use this, around $3 a bottle, and a quart lasts for many, many cycles in different tanks

    http://www.acehardware.com/product/i...ductId=1307957
    I have already purchased the Dr. Tim's ammonia and I am pretty certain it is the same concentration of ammonia as the other alternative listed.
    I will stop using the bacteria since it doesn't seem to help anyway.
    Yes, good idea... ill turn the temperature up from 80 degrees to 84 degrees.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocksor View Post
    stability bacteria may be dead already. The shelf life at room temperature maybe less than 6 months.

    do not add more ammonia, it wont speed up the cycle.
    Seachem states that shelf life is 4 years from date of manufacture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by discusluv View Post
    I have already purchased the Dr. Tim's ammonia and I am pretty certain it is the same concentration of ammonia as the other alternative listed.
    I will stop using the bacteria since it doesn't seem to help anyway.
    Yes, good idea... ill turn the temperature up from 80 degrees to 84 degrees.
    Nothing wrong with the Dr. Tim's stuff, many use it with success

    I just wish they didn't sell that "bacteria in a bottle" stuff, it's just not needed...the bacteria we need to cycle our tanks occurs naturally in the environment

    LFS sell alot of that stuff to new fish keepers anyway, I'm betting...like they sell them other things they really don't need
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    if you read up on the Dr Tim's bacteria in a bottle, you find out that there is a shelf life of 6 months at room temperature. Temperatures in the at 120f will kill the bacteria, so if it sits in a storage room at that temp it is dead. I'm pretty sure that most fish stores that sell it don't even know that, and keep it at room temperature for more than 6 months. Even Amazon, and it's vendors do not pay attention.

    So if Dr. Tim's bacteria in a bottle has a finite shelf life, you can bet the other bacteria in a bottle products sold by other vendors has the same finite shelf life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slaphppy7 View Post
    Nothing wrong with the Dr. Tim's stuff, many use it with success

    I just wish they didn't sell that "bacteria in a bottle" stuff, it's just not needed...the bacteria we need to cycle our tanks occurs naturally in the environment

    LFS sell alot of that stuff to new fish keepers anyway, I'm betting...like they sell them other things they really don't need
    I agree with much of that post, because I avoid chemicals whenever possible and my tanks cycle with ease. I always have nitrites in 48hrs, but............. Iowa and Texas water apparently must not be the same as all water and air everywhere. I hang out on other forums, and see people waiting 30-45 days for a cycle to barely even start, another month or more to finish. Threads 100+ posts long where they try all the cycling tricks like airstones, increased temps etc. Discusluv knows the forum I am talking about it, and quite intelligent people not enjoying our easy cycling experience. Bacteria in a bottle is a waste of money for me, but a wonderful thing for others.

    And BTW discusluv's awesome tanks make mine look like childs play. And I wouldn't add ammonia right now Amy. Ride it out for awhile and hope the culture was alive.
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