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    3 Not allowed!
    Paraguard has "protective polymers" in it that may keep help the other fish in your tank. I would think it might help the slim coat of the other fish in your tank? Net the sick one if you can, but I wouldn't stress out the other fish in the tank too much, that won't help. Netting tetras can be a pain...lol...you have to be quick sometimes. Other than that, I can't offer anything to make that process easier.

    I can guess at the nitrite spike, but that's all it is, just a guess. Your tank and the beneficial bacterial colonies might not be mature yet.

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    4 Not allowed!
    When I can't catch fish I generally try draining water down to a couple inches. Works for most everything except CAE an some Danios. I've also taken apart brand new bath poofies to sort of wrap plants and torn out hardscape trying to net danios.... But lowering the water level is always super helpful.

    I'm sorry your fish is sick, after my experience this spring that stuff terrifies me to be honest. I heard over and over its usually not a big deal but it was when I went through it, but again I had a much different issue and fungus was the final indication and meant literally 6 hours or less to death. I don't have any recommendations for treatment, I wish I did.

    Rocksor was very helpful as was the local fish guru here whom was able to inspect bodies up close and in person. If Rocksor hasn't chimed in yet hopefully he will soon, he's a great help!

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    3 Not allowed!
    I'm so sorry you are having this trouble.

    There are so many members here who have exponentially more experience in catching fish than I, but just in case my thoughts might spark something helpful, I'm happy to share.
    Some of the methods I've used to catch troublesome fish include

    Using 2 nets -- this is generally the first thing I try. Herding with one net, the second is one that I will hang on the side for awhile (so they get used to it) and that is my main 'catcher net' -- so a smaller net that I can be quick with.

    Absolutely lower the water level, as advised from sfsamm above. A lot. Catch some tank water in bucket/s and remove décor that isn't rooted in. (Submerge any wood, décor, etc. in the tank-water-filled bucket for safe keeping.)

    Another thing is to keep coming back, instead of one long session. If you are not successful, don't stress out the entire tank (and yourself) by keeping up the chase but instead, step away for a bit.

    One more thing. Try your best to not look at the one you are trying to catch (sounds hard, but you just pretend and play-act that you aren't interested in the one that you are interested in.) Let your eye skim over that one, keep it in your peripheral. Prey critters sense when they are the target. IMHO, I believe that they know it when they've been 'locked onto'.

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    4 Not allowed!
    how deep is the substrate? A nitrite spike can occur if you have denitritification ocurring from anaerobic bacteria in your substrate, then you disturb the substrate, and expose them to oxygen. This causes the bacteria from completing this process, and allowing nitrite into the water column.

    That looks fungal in nature, typically gram negative bacterial infection. You can drain the tank and catch the fish and separate it, treat the tank with Paraguard, treat the tank with kanaplex, or just sit and wait it out.

    Those of us hwo have lost fish fast due to bacterial infection would do the kanaplex treatment. If its really bad bacterial infection, the fish will pass away in 3 days. This would be bad because chances are that it is columnaris, which the treatment recommended by Discusluv is what I wouldo do (Seachem Kanaplex and API Furan-2).

    What is the tmep of the tank?

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    2 Not allowed!
    I thought I remembered you saying you removed your large DW piece and replaced it with manzanita? If this is right, the substrate would have certainly been disturbed? I really believe that given the time period and possibly switching out the DW after seeing fungal issues has caused a secondary bacterial infection, and as suggested, kanaplex is the go-to med for that. But I think at this point, once the fish starts to bloat up, there's not too much I've been ever able to do to save them unfortunately :( IF you can try your best to net the fish out, I would do that. Move slowly and have patience with your net, take breaks of you have to, I find it best to try not to scare the fish, chasing it with your net in frustration. Fish seem to remember better than we give them credit for! I would try and treat him with Kanaplex and Furan-2 as Rocksor suggested since heavy meds would be needed at this point and I would not want to use Furan in the showtank.
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    3 Not allowed!
    To help with fluid accumulation in the abdomen you might also try adding Epsom salt at a rate of 1/8 tsp per 10 gallon of water. I find a low concentration of Epsom salt in tank ( as bath) is more effective and less stressful on fish than a dip treatment when ill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by discusluv View Post
    To help with fluid accumulation in the abdomen you might also try adding Epsom salt at a rate of 1/8 tsp per 10 gallon of water. I find a low concentration of Epsom salt in tank ( as bath) is more effective and less stressful on fish than a dip treatment when ill.
    baths are generally temporary like 15min -1 hour. Something in a tank for a day or more is just general treatment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocksor View Post
    baths are generally temporary like 15min -1 hour. Something in a tank for a day or more is just general treatment.
    So are you saying Epsom Salt is not helpful for bloating dosed in the tank and only helps in higher concentration baths? What would full tank dosing of Epsom Salts be used to treat?
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    1 Not allowed!
    Rocksor is saying that I incorrectly called a "general" treatment a "bath"--- which is true, this naming is incorrect and the difference is important..
    When helping others with sick fish, it is very important to be precise.
    Thank you Rocksor for correcting this...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocksor View Post
    how deep is the substrate? A nitrite spike can occur if you have denitritification ocurring from anaerobic bacteria in your substrate, then you disturb the substrate, and expose them to oxygen. This causes the bacteria from completing this process, and allowing nitrite into the water column.

    That looks fungal in nature, typically gram negative bacterial infection. You can drain the tank and catch the fish and separate it, treat the tank with Paraguard, treat the tank with kanaplex, or just sit and wait it out.

    Those of us hwo have lost fish fast due to bacterial infection would do the kanaplex treatment. If its really bad bacterial infection, the fish will pass away in 3 days. This would be bad because chances are that it is columnaris, which the treatment recommended by Discusluv is what I wouldo do (Seachem Kanaplex and API Furan-2).

    What is the tmep of the tank?



    Hi, substrate is 1.5" to 2". I keep the temp around 79, give or take a degree.

    On 9/15 I thoroughly stirred my substrate, (after I took the old resin DW out), to more thoroughly mix up my Tahitian Moon Sand and a small amount of Flourite before putting new driftwood and plants in. Stirring about, I found that I had a 1/4" to 1" compacted layer of sand in about a third of the tank. I thought the poison release would be dramatic, like a halocline, and saw no difference so I wasn't concerned. *PUNT*.

    The next day I started spiking Nitrites .25 every day between WC. I did 50% WC (and one day two 50% WC) until the nitrates were finally zero on 9/21 yesterday. However, yesterday I had .25 ammonia. Everything is back to zero now.

    This is day three of ParaGuard, which was recommended. The only other recommendation I could find was to do Stress Coat. I went with ParaGuard because of the anticeptic quality.

    The fish looks better today. Its head is back to normal size and his eyes aren't protruding. The area above the tail fin is a little less white and with more of the dark spot, so who knows.

    I've been more concerned about my other fish getting it. The fish was so sick, I assumed he would die, which would be a blessing, poor guy. I was unable to net him.
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