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    Hi my fish is still sick, he seems to be deteriorating. Mac suggested I would do better to get some experienced advice before starting on medications. I'm hoping someone can help.

    Note: I just added shrimp 3 days ago. It is possible some of the water got into my tank. My tank is very stable. I have had the Bloodfins for months.


    My Bloodfin started with a white band around him just above the caudal/tail fin a couple of days ago, and there is also a dark spot below in this band. The photo below was at that stage.

    Now he is breathing heavily, though he can still swim about.

    His head is now an opaque yellowish white, and seems slightly swollen, and his eyes slightly pushed out. I haven't been able to get a photo of this stage.


    I've done quite a bit of research but he seems to have different symptoms that I cannot find an umbrella condition(?) to explain.

    I have done two 50% WC as my nitrites were at .25 (this spike was right after an extra thorough cleaning of filter).

    At this point I think he should be euthanized. The thing is, I cannot net this fish. I can't net any Tetras. I have tried everything. It may be that he will be there until he dies. This of course puts the rest of my livestock at risk.

    I have on hand Pimafix, StressCoat, API General Cure, ParaGuard and Prazipro. I also have aquarium salt for a bath and/or tub quarantine.


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    Cleaning the filter should not have caused a trIte spike, unless the media was compromised (cleaned with tap or untreated water)
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    Hmmm... I forgot to mention I put all new plants in. That would have done it, stirring up the substrate. Yes?
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    I wouldn't think so, but it's a possibility, I suppose.

    You did preserve your BB colony in the filter media by placing it submerged in a bowl of old tank water, correct?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jana View Post
    Hmmm... I forgot to mention I put all new plants in. That would have done it, stirring up the substrate. Yes?
    Where did they come from? And how did you treat them before adding to the tank?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slaphppy7 View Post
    I wouldn't think so, but it's a possibility, I suppose.

    You did preserve your BB colony in the filter media by placing it submerged in a bowl of old tank water, correct?
    Yes I start the WC by putting some of the old water into a bucket to rinse out media, filter, etc.

    Then of course I am very careful to dose with the full tank amount of Prime before refilling the tank.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AmazonJoe View Post
    Where did they come from? And how did you treat them before adding to the tank?
    Hi, I started my build on 4/18. I did a long fishless cycle to get things very stable.

    I purchased my Bloodfins on 6/9 from my LFS. It was clean and had lots of marine and reef stuff (generally a good sign).

    The Bloodfins were my first fish, so there was no separate QT tank.


    I did have a problem with excessive flashing and rubbing at one point. I tried Paraguard, no difference. Then Prazipro, which cleared it up in like two days. I know. I should have listened!! I was thinking, natural medicine, not, I need the real firepower. Now I know fish are very sensitive and they live in a closed system--plus there are the BBs to treat like gold--so natural ingredient (garlic extract, etc.) products are often best.

    I added some new shrimp to the tank on Monday. I may have got some shrimp water into the tank.

    I also somehow thought it was okay to not test my water before adding the shrimp. I did one later and found my nitrites were at .25. I did a 50% WC. Still at .25. I did another 50% water change, an nitrites were back to zero. The rest of my water chemistry was just fine.

    I'm usually rock solid at ammonia 0--nitrite 0--nitrate 5 (there's some in the local water). I've had this nitrite hiccup a few times, it's weird. Maybe my nitrate BB gets strained by something, I don't know what that would be.
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    Jana, I have used Prazipro many times without issue. If you're thinking that Prazipro might have caused an issue, I think you had a sick fish to begin with. There are many things with these fish and hobby that we just can not control. The longer I'm in this hobby the more I realize things like this are just part of it. Not trying to sound like a pessimist, but more of a realist.

    I don't have any recommendation for further treatment, I'll leave that to somebody else. If you can catch the ill bloodfin and euthanize, I would. If not then let nature take it's course. I would continue treatment with Paraguard for the tank though until somebody has a better suggestion.

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    Sounds and appears ( with the whitened areas on the body and the accumulated fluids) like a secondary bacterial infection from the nitrite spike. Not parasitic.
    Columnaris or Aeromonas bacteria, possibly.
    I would treat with a combination of kanamycin sulfate/nitrofurazone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AmazonJoe View Post
    Where did they come from? And how did you treat them before adding to the tank?
    Quote Originally Posted by Taurus View Post
    Jana, I have used Prazipro many times without issue. If you're thinking that Prazipro might have caused an issue, I think you had a sick fish to begin with. There are many things with these fish and hobby that we just can not control. The longer I'm in this hobby the more I realize things like this are just part of it. Not trying to sound like a pessimist, but more of a realist.

    I don't have any recommendation for further treatment, I'll leave that to somebody else. If you can catch the ill bloodfin and euthanize, I would. If not then let nature take it's course. I would continue treatment with Paraguard for the tank though until somebody has a better suggestion.


    I thought Prazipro was just for parasites, and I didn't have a diagnosis for the fish yet, so I didn't know what to use.

    The ParaGuard versus Prazipro decision I referred to was in the past, with the frequent rubbing problem, something Matt might remember (I know, fish problems are too frequent to remember!) I don't think there hope for this fish, I wish I could catch him (any tips?).

    Do you have a suggestion as to what might be preventative for the other fish?

    I see what you mean, in any case. It makes sense that not doing anything, and letting nature takes its course, may often be best. Unless it's a true parasite like Ich, and the infection has to be treated, it's possible not straining the BBs and inflicting medicine trials on the other fish may likely be the best choice.

    I wish I knew what caused my nitrite spike.
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    AC70 HOB
    Satellite Pro LED 24-36 20W 20-LEDs (14-6500K 6-RGBW)
    Tahitian Moon Sand w/some Flourite

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    6 Bronze Corys
    10 Amano Shrimp
    5 Dream Blue Velvet Shrimp
    5 Sky Blue Velvet Shrimp
    10 Assassin Snails

    Planted 29g journal

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