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    I am really considering getting some altum angels from Angelfish USA. Are they hardy? They have great prices and I am thinking about getting a small group!
    These are the ones I am interested in.
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    Altums are more difficult to keep, even tank raised ones, than the typical scalare angelfish. I would look for a seller local to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocksor View Post
    Altums are more difficult to keep, even tank raised ones, than the typical scalare angelfish. I would look for a seller local to you.
    Will do. I am currently researching, I have kept scalare and Leopaldi and succeeded. I am currently keeping saltwater as well. I am sure if I research I can keep altums.
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    Altums can be a ton of work. I've seen some pictures of your tank and you look like a pretty accomplished keeper so I'm not questioning your skill. Its just important to note all the extra things that come with keeping altums. There are some different routes to consider with Altums. Wild-Caught, F2, or Altums crossed with Scalare.
    Wild-Caught:
    Often times will need to quarantine in case of parasites and will need a good bit of knowledge on treating disease.
    RO Unit
    F2
    Easier to maintain in some cases
    Would still recommend RO Unit
    Scalare Cross
    A lot better with Hardiness
    Can probably be kept a higher PH environment

    Consider these things and assess whether that is doable and worth it to you. Good Luck!

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    Quote Originally Posted by waylon101 View Post
    Altums can be a ton of work. I've seen some pictures of your tank and you look like a pretty accomplished keeper so I'm not questioning your skill. Its just important to note all the extra things that come with keeping altums. There are some different routes to consider with Altums. Wild-Caught, F2, or Altums crossed with Scalare.
    Wild-Caught:
    Often times will need to quarantine in case of parasites and will need a good bit of knowledge on treating disease.
    RO Unit
    F2
    Easier to maintain in some cases
    Would still recommend RO Unit
    Scalare Cross
    A lot better with Hardiness
    Can probably be kept a higher PH environment

    Consider these things and assess whether that is doable and worth it to you. Good Luck!
    Thank you for your input and advice!
    I am one who always likes a challenge. I take on many challenges in my life and I put forth all my effort and I've succeeded in most of them.
    I think what it comes down to is a healthy strong fish. A fish that has been in tap water or water close to our home water and a fish that has been eating very well.
    It just takes time to find the proper specimens.
    I know that I will have to be very heavy on water changes and keeping an eye on the parameters, but I like doing water changes anyway!
    Everything I read about the F1 and F2 Altums from AngelfishUSA seems to indicate that they are hardy, only a few people had losses.
    But the one thing stopping me is prices. AngelfishUSA has some incredibly high prices, my lfs from time to time gets altums, but they never QT their fish.
    Jeff Rapps from TUIC has wild scalare and leopaldi angelfish. I am also considering wild caught scalare and leopaldi.
    Either way I am researching and getting myself ready for this challenge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AquaAlex1993 View Post
    Thank you for your input and advice!
    I am one who always likes a challenge. I take on many challenges in my life and I put forth all my effort and I've succeeded in most of them.
    I think what it comes down to is a healthy strong fish. A fish that has been in tap water or water close to our home water and a fish that has been eating very well.
    It just takes time to find the proper specimens.
    I know that I will have to be very heavy on water changes and keeping an eye on the parameters, but I like doing water changes anyway!
    Everything I read about the F1 and F2 Altums from AngelfishUSA seems to indicate that they are hardy, only a few people had losses.
    But the one thing stopping me is prices. AngelfishUSA has some incredibly high prices, my lfs from time to time gets altums, but they never QT their fish.
    Jeff Rapps from TUIC has wild scalare and leopaldi angelfish. I am also considering wild caught scalare and leopaldi.
    Either way I am researching and getting myself ready for this challenge.
    You could probably get away with tap water on a F2. Just acclimate it over the course of a few hours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by waylon101 View Post
    You could probably get away with tap water on a F2. Just acclimate it over the course of a few hours.
    Yea that is a good idea. Thanks I will drip accumulate.
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    Here's the thing with Altums, if you read the research Ted Judy did on them, they come from waters that are anti-septic, with a ph between 3-4. This means that a lot of pathogenic bacteria cannot survive in such a low PH. They are also shipped out of Columbia with water that is treated with phosphoric acid, to keep the PH low. I can see a lot of the failures or sudden die offs happening due to pathogenic bacteria that thrive in much higher PH killing the fish. Also, they exist in temperatures that are naturally 84f+.
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    Most of us don't keep aquariums with a pH too low for all pathogenic bacteria to survive, the nitrogen cycle would not happen either. Most of us have aquarium ecosystems that are completely different from where the wild Altums were living, even if leaves are added in a blackwater tank, if the tank is cycling, it's completely different for the angelfish.

    That's why I'd go with f2 if you can find them like Waylon already suggested, they'd be a bit stronger against pathogens. Out-crossed is even better, but that risk of parasite and more sensitive fish is still there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by angelcraze2 View Post
    That's why I'd go with f2 if you can find them like Waylon already suggested, they'd be a bit stronger against pathogens. Out-crossed is even better, but that risk of parasite and more sensitive fish is still there.
    Still a bit tricky with F2 though. They are more likely immune to some things that would grow in the breeder's tank water, and may not be immune to what grows in your source water.

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