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    Initially I apologize if there isn't enough information to give an accurate diagnosis but here it goes....

    Just introduced 4 new discus to the 2 I already had. The new ones are still settling in (I hope) but not eating very much, if any at all. The 2 smaller ones (the cobalts) are usually seen "picking" at the substrate, plants, and driftwood. The small ones also look as though their dorsal/anal fins are clamped quite frequently (still settling and stressed?).

    I just started noticing one of the cobalts is swimming up to plants and pushing his "gills" against it, as if he's bouncing off the plant. He's maybe only done it 5 times I've noticed (so not all the time) Right away I think parasites but....the breathing appears normal, both gills are being used simultaneously, color stays the same, I don't know.

    One thing that I am going to be doing whether it puts me in the poor house or not, is get a QT set up! As new as I am to this hobby, I'm quickly realizing the importance of them.

    I will try and give out as much information as I can if you guys are willing to help me through this. I really appreciate it.

    Also, as far as the QT......can I just get a 20 gallon, throw a sponge filter in with a heater and lights? I'm assuming it stills needs to be cycled. Do I have time to do this? Any other advice on this QT would be greatly appreciated. TIA
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    Should I dose with Melafix until I get another tank set up? Increase WC or temp?
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    Quarantine is very important, especially when you're dealing with sensitive and/or expensive fish like discus.
    I'm not familiar with their care, but the flashing doesn't sound good at all.

    You don't need to cycle every new tank. Remember, cycling is accumulating beneficial bacteria. Since you have an established tank, you just need to transfer some media over to the quarantine to instantly cycle it.

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    Ok, thanks Madagascar but how would I go about doing this?
    If I were to buy a 10 or 20 gallon, wouldn't I have to buy a regular filter in order to put media in it? If I bought a sponge filter, how would I add media? What are your best recommendations for a filter for the QT?
    Would I then be able to throw the filter/media in the QT, add water from the main tank too? And then I can add the fish once the temp is right? I just don't want to kill the fish on the way to the QT.
    Thanks!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by fishlove View Post
    Ok, thanks Madagascar but how would I go about doing this?
    If I were to buy a 10 or 20 gallon, wouldn't I have to buy a regular filter in order to put media in it? If I bought a sponge filter, how would I add media? What are your best recommendations for a filter for the QT?
    Would I then be able to throw the filter/media in the QT, add water from the main tank too? And then I can add the fish once the temp is right? I just don't want to kill the fish on the way to the QT.
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    Worst case you can always do 50%+ water changes everyday while in quarantine. Discus can handle more than this everyday with no issues.

    If you get a normal sponge filter, you can add some ceramic media to the plastic center. You can also rinse your old media into a bucket, and use the sponge filter to suck up that water that has bacteria as a result of the rinsing.




    I use plastic storage tubs or coolers, which allows me to use them for something other than fish.

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    Sorry for the bad news fishlove, but it's really too late to consider getting & setting up a QT tank now - the potential cross-contamination damage (if it has occurred) has already been done. It's like closing the barn door after the horse has left.
    The only good it would do is for any future QT needed with new additions to the tank.
    The best first approach before medication is considered, as I've said before, is lots of fresh water on a daily basis for the next while.
    Be patient, give this situation some time to see if there's any improvement, or if deterioration becomes evident.

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    Rocksor, thanks for the info on the sponge filter.

    Discuspaul, I apologize, I should have said "hospital tank". I understand I "should have" quarantined initially but could have, should have......Like I said, I know a lot of people that don't quarantine and have success but I guess it's just the chance you take, and apparently my chances are not very good. :( I feel horrible. Not for the money I spent but for the fish that are suffering. I want to cry for them. :'(

    So daily WC of 50% is okay? That's what I was planning but I better ask the ones who have more experience. I found another Discus (one of my original ones) who has a cloudy eye and looks like it's "skin is peeling". I almost fear mentioning this because of the criticism I might receive as to why I shouldn't have purchased these fish or even quarantined them. I only mention these things because I know how great you guys are at giving advice (whether negative or positive) and I appreciate it more than you know. I also called the guy I got them all from to mention what was going on (since they're so new). He gave some suggestions & extended the "money back guarantee another week". For whatever it's worth......

    I've read a lot about fish on this site, especially the Discus section. I've read all the threads posted by Spardas, Discus_Dude, ILuvMyGoldBarb, Cermet, Discuslover, and even you Discuspaul (I've read your regimen on keeping Discus and I definitely wouldn't mind hearing more ;)

    After everything I've read it sounds like a lot of the problems encompassing Discus is water quality. Although, I check params frequently (pH is stable, ammonia always 0, nitrites always 0 and nitrates below 10) & do WC every 3 days (50%), apparently it isn't enough!? Something I read on a thread on here was that nitrates should actually be UNDER 5 otherwise they could fall ill. How much truth is there to this?

    Adding salt to the tank....is this advisable? I've also read that on here (and other places) for treating certain issues.

    I'm sincerely apologize for such a long post. I also appreciate everyone's input.
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    Have you noticed anymore flashing from any other of your fish in your main tank? And they are not losing colour? Are they acting odd, lethargic, hiding, interested in food?

    I would look into treating the one with the cloudy eye and skin issues, it sounds more serious. But not being a discus keeper, I think definetely do 50% daily water changes on the main tank until someone more experienced with discus steps in again. Siphon the substrate (at least the surface) wipe the glass, just keep the tank as clean as you can. Discus love fresh water, it won't do any harm.

    Idk about salt and discus, but I do know that anacharis can tolerate it for short time ;)
    Sorry you are dealing with this, I hope you get the help you need!
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    Yes fishlove, you are quite right in your thinking - water quality issues are usually, and most often, the main cause of the onset of ill health in discus - and regular large & frequent water changes will in most cases mitigate this and maintain good health in discus.
    But the most important key factor in achieving success with keeping discus is to acquire your stock ONLY from experienced, fully reputable suppliers well known to breed/import high quality fish (not LFS's for sure), and for discus newcomers to resist the temptation to buy small undersized, immature stock because they are the cheapest.
    This is false economy as immature fish with underdeveloped immune systems are quite difficult to care for, and to grow out successfully.
    Get fish of not less than 3.0"-3.5" in size, preferably 4.0" or larger, to give yourself the best chances for long term success.

    As for nitrate levels, yes a consistent maintenance of nitrates above 10 ppms over time will have the effect of stressing discus, generally leading to some form of ill health eventually. Discus will not tolerate a consistent nitrate level above 20 ppms for very long.
    Daily wcs will keep nitrates in the 0 to 5 ppm area & no more - this is usually considered a must for discus.
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    What about fishlove's red original discus with the cloudy eye and peeling skin? Just water changes as a treatment?
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