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    Hi!

    I'm new here After a long time with my 40 gallon amazonian community, I've been really looking forwards to doing a breeding tank on a small scale: Apistogrammas. I have some extra equipment lying about (including a 20 gallon (yay!)) and decided, since I've always loved the reproductive behavior of dwarf cichlids, that I would give them a try! A few years ago I had successfully bred betta splendens, so I think I'm ready for something a little different. I just have a few Q's and then I will be ready to go on my way!

    1. Substrate: I know these guys need a fine sand substrate and I'm trying to find something reasonably priced that looks natural and could support one or two background plants. So far, my two choices have been Seachem Flourite Sand, which is nice looking and can support live plants, or Carib Sea Super Naturals Sunset Gold, which is less expensive, but I'm not sure about it's plant supportive-ness. Which of the two would you recommend for apistogrammas? Is there really any difference, other than colour and price?

    2. # of apistos: Personally I have always gone with buying a group of 6 juvies and letting them pair off, or go into harems naturally, but a 20 gallon does not have a great footprint for half a dozen angsty young cichlids! Should I be better off hedging my bets and buying what appears to be a male and female, or is it still more sensible to buy a group of juvies? The cost is the same at my cichlid specialists.

    Also, in your opinion, would I be best off with a small harem or only a pair (in the end, for spawning purposes)?

    3. Filtration: I'm using a good quality Eheim 2213 with excellent mechanical filtration and some of my own chemical filtration (Ammonia and Nitrate/Nitrite filter pads, cut to size). In most of my planted tanks I would use Activated Carbon to clarify water. In this case, however, I wish to keep keep the tannins from the driftwood / dried botanicals for a nice honey coloured look to the water. Is there some other kind of chemical filtration such as Purigen or Activated Carbon which will not remove the tannins, but essentially provide the same cleaning duty?


    Thanks in advance!

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    If you want a cheaper alternative substrate then pool filter sand is fine and goes for about 5-7$ for 50lbs at home depot.

    Regarding numbers it's best for the smaller tank if you have the option to pick the best looking male and female you can unless you only can get juvies then you could try a group but just have a tank ready to switch them to once a pair forms.

    I would go without any chemical filtration at all and add poly fiber in your 2213 this will keep water clear no problem.


    Which apisto are you trying to spawn?

    Are you familiar with GH/KH and TDS (total dissolved solids)
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    1. flourite is made especially for plants (has superior mineral ion retention), but not too many plants do well in the dim environments that apistos like to spawn in. You could go with AmazonJoe's suggestion for substrate and use driftwood and indian almond leaves as shelter instead. The leaves and driftwood also release tannins into the water.

    2. Depends on species, some apistos are quite large, others are very small. Some are more monogamous while many form harems. As AmazonJoe mentioned, in either case, have a spare tank ready for relocating others during pair formation or relocating the female when the male gets too aggressive.

    3. Agreed with both Rocksor and AmazonJoe. Biological filtration should be sufficient. A further thing I'd like to mention though, is that Apistogramma prefer very still tanks to spawn in. I would recommend using baffles to minimize as much filter current as possible.

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    She could reduce the output flow on the eheim, using the double tap valves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by madagascariensis View Post
    1. flourite is made especially for plants (has superior mineral ion retention), but not too many plants do well in the dim environments that apistos like to spawn in. You could go with AmazonJoe's suggestion for substrate and use driftwood and indian almond leaves as shelter instead. The leaves and driftwood also release tannins into the water.

    2. Depends on species, some apistos are quite large, others are very small. Some are more monogamous while many form harems. As AmazonJoe mentioned, in either case, have a spare tank ready for relocating others during pair formation or relocating the female when the male gets too aggressive.

    3. Agreed with both Rocksor and AmazonJoe. Biological filtration should be sufficient. A further thing I'd like to mention though, is that Apistogramma prefer very still tanks to spawn in. I would recommend using baffles to minimize as much filter current as possible.
    Thanks! I've done my research with the plants and biotope style - possibly a small amount of microphyllum, I just want something that can support protozoan life for fry.

    Also just a side note - I'll be choosing a small apisto such as Agassizi or cacatuoides
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    Well cacatuoides spawn in 76-79f dH ≥10 and agassizii 79-84 dH 5-8 both are cave spawners

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    Thank you amazonjoe :)

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