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  1. #1

    Default Cichlid stopped eating - What antibiotic is better for treating internal infection?


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    Howdy...

    Well, I've got an African Cichlid whose water got a bit less than favorable...and now he's stopped eating.....since early last week.

    So I've changed the filter, did a half tank water change and have been doing a 1/4 water change, every two days since then...and he hasnt snapped out of it yet.

    As far as symptoms go .....well...outside he has NONE. He looks to be a healthy, strong fish. No Fin Rot or fungus, etc anywhere. Inside...well...I dont know.

    Behavior wise...aside from not eating and recently taking to hanging out for a bit at the top of the tank, directly under the overhang of the downspout for the filter..(probably listless behavior due to not eating for a week).....you cant tell somethings wrong. He still swims around and watches people, etc. He doesnt "Flash". He's not gasping for air. His gills dont appear to be over working.

    Today I tried a couple things to try and get him to eat again. First I dropped in one of those frozen bloodworm cubes....he ignored it....even when it broke up and the worms were all floating about. I also tried dropping a couple of his food pellets soaked with Entice flavor enhancer (by Seachem) in the tank....he ignored those too.

    So...now I'm considering that he probably has a medical problem. Based on that theres nothing wrong with his exterior self...and per the Mardel Fish Disease Guide - which by the flow chart lists "Not eating" under the Bacterial - Internal Infection category. I should note that he does not appear to have Bloat/Dropsy either....so it must be something else going on.

    That all being said...finally on to my question....I have 3 things to treat him with for this.
    1) Maracyn-Two (Mardel) (Which their guide recommends)
    2) KanaPlex (Seachem)
    3) Clout

    Which do you use? What is your experiences with KanaPlex? Please advise which one of these might work better.

    Thanks

    John

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    test the water using a liquid test for ammonia, nitrites, and nitrate before using medication. The water parameters should read as follows:
    ammonia = 0ppm
    nitrite = 0ppm
    nitrate less than 20ppm

    Maracyn-2 is not the best to use in with your tank ph.

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    Watch along his lateral line for sores or pits, and/or his forehead. Refusing food is a classic symtom of hole-in-the-head. In that case, Metro is a good med to use and keep his water clean going forward. Keeping the water clean plays a big part in keeping your fish healthy. For now, I would do just that, keep his water prestine, conditions within the boundaries that Rocksor outlined.

    To answer your question about meds, I've used kanaplex without any adverse reactions, but idk what your pH is.
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    Default What is this coming out my cichlids behind


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    No...this isnt a joke question...its a supplemental question to my other question asking why my cichlid has stopped eating..

    Anyway...while I have been observing the guy closely, I have noticed something coming out of his behind....and I'm not sure its fish poo because he hasnt eaten for a week. This "protrusion" seems bigger than the past couple days.

    I considered that maybe is an intestinal blockage working its way out....and if you're thinking well then feed him a mushed up pea....well...remember he wont eat.

    This might sound goofy...but Could it be part of his intestines? Ohh...I hope not.

    ...Bottomline...I dont know...but I am trying to determine if it has something to do with his not eating and/or being sick.

    I've attached photos where you can see what I'm talking about.

    Please check them out....and my previous question:
    http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aqua...d.php?t=124842

    ....and let me know.

    I'm trying to help the guy get better.

    Much Thanks !



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    Howdy again....

    Thanks for the info. folks.

    I'll admit that I had to look up that hole in the head condition.

    http://www.peteducation.com/article....+2160&aid=2586

    Its kinda hard to tell ....but at this point I dont see that his head/lateral line is affected that way.

    But, in regards to treating that condition with metronidazole....unfortunately, this town only has a Petco which is severely lacking in fish medicines.....meaning I dont have access to "Metro". I would have to order it.

    Noting that...I can surely keep doing the water changes alone...for now...but for how long do I watch and wait before I take other action? The guy hasnt eaten in week. Is just doing water changes enough for this condition of not eating ...to go away?

    I did go out and get the water tested:
    Results:
    ammonia = 0 ppm
    nitrite = 3 ppm
    nitrate = 10 ppm
    ph = 7

    Those numbers arent to bad, right? I mean...the nitrite needs to come down, but I have been changing out the water so I didnt expect those number to be off the chart.

    Heres the chart I got acceptable levels off:

    http://www.liveaquaria.com/PIC/article.cfm?aid=89

    Please advise on the above..

    ...and if that isnt enough...I've added another inquiry

    I have included pictures of the fish...because there is maybe something also going on that just got my attention.

    Please also see...

    http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aqua...d.php?t=124852

    Much Thanks !

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    Hello,
    That nitrIte level is too high, it needs to be 0....apparently, this tank is not fully cycled yet.

    A cycled tank will have 0 ammonia, 0 nitrItes, and some sitrAtes.

    Read about cycling with fish here: http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aqua...ad.php?t=36492

    You should really be testing your own water, look into getting one of these ASAP: https://www.amazon.com/API-Freshwate...water+test+kit

    Get this water conditioner too, it will neutralize the nitrIte levels until the tank is fully cycled: https://www.amazon.com/Seachem-11604...=seachem+prime

    I have no idea what the protrusion is, others will help with that.
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    You have to fix the water first before medicating. Nitrites is way too high.

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    Prolapsed rectum/anus? Just a guess.

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    possibly genitalia or prolapsed anus due to uncycled tank.

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