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    Hey guys,

    I'm attempting to soften my aquarium water, without having to use a RO Unit. To expensive for me at this time. My tap comes out about 7.8 or higher. Yesterday I picked up some Canadian Sphagnum Peat Moss and put it in a little pouch inside my Mainland 350 HOB Filter. I also decided to go carbonless as I know it removes the tannins which I want. Was wondering how much Peat Moss I actually need to use for a 60 Gallon Aquarium, and how ofter I will need to replace it. Thanks

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    That will depend on your current water conditions, the pH, buffering capacity...it hard to say. Rocksor may chime in, had a bit more experience and I don't want to steer you wrong. Just check the pH daily until you don't see any more pH changes.
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    Do you keep kribensis in this blackwater tank? Which fish are you keeping or do you intend to keep? Kribensis will be fine with a pH of 8, just FYI.

    Do you know what your tap water pH is after standing 24 hours? It will shift depending on your kh in this time, so it's best to start there.

    And one more question: Are you more concerned with having tannins, or do you want an acidic pH?
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    Yes, they are currently in this tank. Though I've read they would be okay in soft water conditions. I also have Angels, Neons & Bolivian Rams in there, with a bristle nose pleco. I checked the pH this morning and it was at a 7.2. But yes I would prefer that have it more acidic so I don't mind the tannins. I have a few pieces a driftwood with a couple of halved coconuts, and it is heavily planted. And I use the caribsea sand substrate. Temp is at 78.

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    Your KH will determine how often you well need to change the spahgnum peat moss. From my experiments, using Lowes' Fafard 3-cu ft Organic Peat Moss and filtering the tap water through peat using a coffee pot:

    Tap water parameters

    TDS: ~430ppm
    PH: 7.8
    KH: 8 degrees
    GH: 22 degrees

    1 cup of sphagnum peat moss, using a 12 cup coffee pot, changed the 24 cups of tap water to:

    TDS: ~370ppm
    PH: 6.8
    KH: 4 degrees
    GH: 11 degrees

    So in my case, due to the KH, it wasn't worth the amount of work to try to get blackwater conditions after producing the initial 24 cups of water. The peat no longer reduced any of the PH, KH, and GH, even though the water was still tea stained. I would have to change the peat out for every 1 & 1/3 gallon of peat water produced, just to get a PH of 6.8.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ricktfoster View Post
    Yes, they are currently in this tank. Though I've read they would be okay in soft water conditions. I also have Angels, Neons & Bolivian Rams in there, with a bristle nose pleco. I checked the pH this morning and it was at a 7.2. But yes I would prefer that have it more acidic so I don't mind the tannins. I have a few pieces a driftwood with a couple of halved coconuts, and it is heavily planted. And I use the caribsea sand substrate. Temp is at 78.
    All your fish do fine in a pH of 7.2. IMO and IME, I view that as ideal actually. A bit of kh in the water isn't a bad idea, since it gives a bit of stability to the pH. I've ran into pH fluctuations when kh is not present, in one case disastrous, the pH plummeted. I've learned while keeping and breeding these fish that pH stability is far more important for healthy fish, just FYI though ;)
    Nothing is wrong with adding peat to try softening it more though, especially if you don't mind the look of tannins. I personally love it, it brings out the colours of the fish native to blackwater areas so nicely and IME, the fish seem to like it. In my dirted tanks the tannins can leach quickly.
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    And kribensis accept a wide range of pH, in the 6-8 range ;)

    I just want to let you know not to worry if your pH is 7.2-7.4. The only thing I encourage a low pH for is hatching eggs that are prone to fungus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocksor View Post
    Your KH will determine how often you well need to change the spahgnum peat moss. From my experiments, using Lowes' Fafard 3-cu ft Organic Peat Moss and filtering the tap water through peat using a coffee pot:

    Tap water parameters

    TDS: ~430ppm
    PH: 7.8
    KH: 8 degrees
    GH: 22 degrees

    1 cup of sphagnum peat moss, using a 12 cup coffee pot, changed the 24 cups of tap water to:

    TDS: ~370ppm
    PH: 6.8
    KH: 4 degrees
    GH: 11 degrees

    So in my case, due to the KH, it wasn't worth the amount of work to try to get blackwater conditions after producing the initial 24 cups of water. The peat no longer reduced any of the PH, KH, and GH, even though the water was still tea stained. I would have to change the peat out for every 1 & 1/3 gallon of peat water produced, just to get a PH of 6.8.
    see....
    75g- Plecos, Rainbowfish, Edlers, Espei, Gouramis, Cory, Loaches, Amano, and misc.
    Two 5.5g- Shrimp tanks; one with 4 chili rasbora & Bloody Mary and second with Blue Dream shrimp
    5.5g- Rescue female betta Lucky Star
    20L- Rescue betta Tony Stark and pygmy corys
    20L- Pygmy cory, 2 vampire/rock shrimp, ember tetras and female guppies

    75g:
    Nat's 20L Tanks
    5.5 G Shrimp Tanks


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