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    My comets are off to a friends pond next week so I am thinking of using the tank for fancy goldfish. I've never kept fancies before so wondered are there any I shouldn't mix?
    I definitely want a black moor so I am looking for 2 more that would share a tank with it. The tank is 180 litre. Filtration is by two fluval 405 external filters.

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    I divide goldfish into 3 tiers:
    1- single-tailed goldfish (comets)
    2- Double-tailed Fancy goldfish (most breeds)
    3- Extremely fancy goldfish (Celestials, some pearlscales, sight restricted ranchus/lionheads/orandas)

    You want to avoid mixing any of these tiers. Dragon eyes, or black moors are tier 2, so most other fancy types should be fine. Keep in mind that you want them to be able to feed easily, hence needing to avoid goldfish with sight issues. Young ranchus, lionheads and orandas see fine, but depending on genes, they can develop huge wens that block their eyes. Either get them young, or get some that are old enough that you can tell their wen won't be an issue.

    Keep in mind that you don't want too many sharp objects in the tank, since fancy goldfish aren't as nimble and sometimes have protruding eyes :D
    I groom ranchus. That is all.

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    How big is your tank? Even fancy gold fish will need a larger tank due to their eventual size and large bioload.
    Increasing your biodiversity increases your stability.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Compass View Post
    How big is your tank? Even fancy gold fish will need a larger tank due to their eventual size and large bioload.
    Hi the tank is 180 litre. Filtration is by two fluval 405 external filters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xavier View Post
    I divide goldfish into 3 tiers:
    1- single-tailed goldfish (comets)
    2- Double-tailed Fancy goldfish (most breeds)
    3- Extremely fancy goldfish (Celestials, some pearlscales, sight restricted ranchus/lionheads/orandas)

    You want to avoid mixing any of these tiers. Dragon eyes, or black moors are tier 2, so most other fancy types should be fine. Keep in mind that you want them to be able to feed easily, hence needing to avoid goldfish with sight issues. Young ranchus, lionheads and orandas see fine, but depending on genes, they can develop huge wens that block their eyes. Either get them young, or get some that are old enough that you can tell their wen won't be an issue.

    Keep in mind that you don't want too many sharp objects in the tank, since fancy goldfish aren't as nimble and sometimes have protruding eyes :D
    Thanks appreciate the detailed reply!

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    At that size of a tank I would say two goldfish max. I may need correction on this. When you first get them, that may seem like a small number for the size of the tank, but those suckers will still get pretty big. Again it isn't just the physical size of the fish, but the large bioload that needs to be taken into consideration.
    Increasing your biodiversity increases your stability.

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    At about 47.6 gallons you may be pushing it with 2 moors, 55 gallons (200+ liters) would be better because of their high bioload. The double 405 filters may make it possible since it states they filter 340 gph. How many comets did you have in the tank before? Also are you going to let the tank sit for any period of time before adding fish (this may impact the BB you have in the filter right now).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Compass View Post
    At that size of a tank I would say two goldfish max. I may need correction on this. When you first get them, that may seem like a small number for the size of the tank, but those suckers will still get pretty big. Again it isn't just the physical size of the fish, but the large bioload that needs to be taken into consideration.
    I would be quite happy with a couple in there. I am sure the two externals I have would handle the bioload of a couple of fancies as they are quite powerful.

    Quote Originally Posted by Boundava View Post
    At about 47.6 gallons you may be pushing it with 2 moors, 55 gallons (200+ liters) would be better because of their high bioload. The double 405 filters may make it possible since it states they filter 340 gph. How many comets did you have in the tank before? Also are you going to let the tank sit for any period of time before adding fish (this may impact the BB you have in the filter right now).
    I had two in there. The pic below was before I removed the built in filter on the right hand side and added a second fluval 405. I hadn't planned to wait very long. Just do a water change on the day the comets leave and then pick up the fancies within a day or two.

    Last edited by deadmansfinger; 06-03-2015 at 05:34 PM.

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    Wow, how big did those guys get?

    I like your tank, nicely scaped for goldfish. Love the little boulders.
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    Thanks they seem to like it!

    The yellow comet is around 8". The sarasa comet is maybe 6" but a lot more slender. I have another red comet in a 30 gallon in the kitchen. She's got to be 9"+ as the last time I had her out to move her she was bigger than my hand. I couldn't get a good pic of her because of the light reflection.



    It's definitely time for them to go to a pond. My friend has an 8'x4'x4' pond with goldfish in it, some are 15 years old so they are going to a good home.
    Last edited by deadmansfinger; 06-03-2015 at 06:11 PM.

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