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    Quote Originally Posted by James` View Post
    If you want an accurate reading get Seachem Ammonia Alert. I'm quoting from their website: "This kit is based on the same gas exchange technology that is used in the Ammonia Alert and thus is the only kit on the market that can read levels of free ammonia while using ammonia removal products such as Prime, Safe, AmGuard and any similar competing products.

    The other kits (salicylate or Nessler based) determine the total ammonia by raising the pH of the test solution to 12 or greater. At this high pH all ammonia removal products will breakdown and rerelease the ammonia, thus giving you a false ammonia reading."

    I'd encourage you to do further research into false reading on certain test kits caused by these products that DETOXIFY ammonia NOT remove it.
    Actually, I knew that these master test kits do not show only toxic ammonia levels. I knew they always showed total ammonia. They even show you if your tap water has chloramines. I knew that Prime temporarily neutralizes ammonia for 24-48 hours and that it will show up on these kits. From your explanation, it seems this false reading is the belief that some people have held where Prime, Amquel, AmmoLock, etc. thought that ammonia was removed when words such as neutralized or detoxify were used on the bottle's description. I thought you might have found some information that the false reading given by these kits were increase or decrease in the reading.
    Last edited by Rocksor; 06-30-2014 at 01:52 PM.

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    +1 to the above, I would use nothing other than Seachem Prime for water conditioner, and no other chemicals, they aren't needed, a fish-in cycle is stressful enough on the fish without dumping in all kinds of chemicals you don't need.

    How do you test your water parameters?...the paper test strips are not accurate, the liquid test kits are more reliable.

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    From my understanding it converts the NH3 to NH4 ammonium which is not toxic to fish under 7pH. So knowing your pH will be important when doing a fish-in cycle if you test your Ammonia and care about your fish's health. This will be important to determine how significant of a water change to get your ppm back down to desired levels.

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    Actually, these water conditioners that neutralize ammonia, convert it to ammonium which is not toxic at any PH level. The chemical bond from these water conditioners start to deteriorate over a 24-48 hour period once it touches water.

    Depending on the PH level and temperature, ammonia will becoming ammonium without the aid of any water conditioner. Under a ph level of 7, there is naturally less toxic ammonia and more non-toxic ammonium than at a ph of 8. However, the efficiency of the nitrosomas to process ammonia decrease as the ph decreases. They are at 100% efficiency at a ph of 7.8-8.0. Dataguru had a really good charts that showed different levels of total ammonia and the relation of toxic ammonia levels to ph and temperature, however, that site doesn't exist anymore. Here's a snippet from the site, basically items in orange and red are the conditions that you don't want for any fish.

    http://www.americanaquariumproducts....moniachart.jpg

    However, knowing at which ph level and temperature with relation to ammonia toxicity gets rather complicated for the average fishkeeper. The easiest thing to remember is not to let the ph get below 6.6, as that will slow down the nitrogen cycle, and not to allow the total ammonia level to get above 0.25ppm.

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    I've never seen that chart before. Thanks for the information. I'm keeping that bookmarked.

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