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    Hello Fish Geniuses!

    I'm about 6 weeks into cycling a tank, and I have no signs of Nitrites or Nitrates yet. My Ammonia has stayed steady at about .25, and I do a 25% water change twice a week usually. I started with a bottle of Tetra safe start, but made a mistake after the first week and rinsed the filter sponge in tap water when my filter didn't appear to be running as well. Learned all about why that's wrong, just giving you the facts, won't make that mistake again. I then started dosing with Seachem stability to try and get the live bacteria going again, and after a bottle of that, still no signs of nitrites or nitrates. Should I add a whole new bottle of Tetra safe start like when I started?

    20 gallon high
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    Ammonia .25ppm
    Nitrites 0
    Nitrates 0


    I'm starting to get a bit of algae growth, I think due to leaving the lights on too much. Trying to dial that back. I have a Current LED+ lighting system. Aqua clear 50.

    3 fish: Blue wagtail platy, botia loach, and a german blue ram. They all seem very happy, swim around a lot and eat plenty, so I don't think they're unhealthy, just want to get their environment going the way it should be.

    Any advice is greatly appreciated!

    Thanks!

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    Also having a bit of hair algae out break, possibly due to long light and dosing with ferts. I read that water based iron ferts can cause this, so I'm gonna dial that back, and just stick with root tabs. Any advice on getting rid of this is appreciated!

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    Hi Morley,

    What type of product are you using for your Dechlorinator? Some of these products that are also "Ammonia, Nitrites, and Nitrate killing" provide us with a false reading on our test kits. This is actually the reason I switched to a powder conditioner. You only have 3 fish so it is possible I have seen weird things come from Prime. You should get some plants in your tank especially with your light system. Leave your lights on for 8-12 hours a day. However, because you were cycling leaving the lights on longer only increases the speed of the cycle. When I do fish less cycling I achieve my results in 19days just from adding in ammonia myself.

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    The advice you should have been given from the start is that if you wish to cycle your tank with fish....
    do it with cheap, hardy fish that can withstand it.
    You said you want to get their environment going the way it should be. This is what we do beforehand.
    Where did you get advice to add TSS or Stability? Most feel its a modern day snake-oil.
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    In addition to what pRED said, you also are stressing out your loach by leaving him all alone in their. They want to be in a school of at least 6.

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    Hi Morley,

    What type of product are you using for your Dechlorinator? Some of these products that are also "Ammonia, Nitrites, and Nitrate killing" provide us with a false reading on our test kits. This is actually the reason I switched to a powder conditioner. You only have 3 fish so it is possible I have seen weird things come from Prime.
    care to explain what this false reading is? does it show ammonia when none are present? How much does it add to the ammonia reading? does it not show ammonia when there actually is ammonia?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocksor View Post
    care to explain what this false reading is? does it show ammonia when none are present? How much does it add to the ammonia reading? does it not show ammonia when there actually is ammonia?
    If you want an accurate reading get Seachem Ammonia Alert. I'm quoting from their website: "This kit is based on the same gas exchange technology that is used in the Ammonia Alert and thus is the only kit on the market that can read levels of free ammonia while using ammonia removal products such as Prime, Safe, AmGuard and any similar competing products.

    The other kits (salicylate or Nessler based) determine the total ammonia by raising the pH of the test solution to 12 or greater. At this high pH all ammonia removal products will breakdown and rerelease the ammonia, thus giving you a false ammonia reading."

    I'd encourage you to do further research into false reading on certain test kits caused by these products that DETOXIFY ammonia NOT remove it.

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    Seachem marketing is clever, eh?

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    I find Seachem to be more about the fish than other fish product companies so to speak. My personal favorite are the flake companies who say to feed several times daily as much as your fish can eat in 5 minutes. If I daily fed my fish what they could consume in 5 minutes SEVERAL times the water quality would be horrible

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    You're doing the right thing by keeping your ammonia at .25ppm. eventually your beneficial bacterial will colonize in your filter and you'll start seeing nitrites then nitrates. Patience and water changes are key when cycling with fish. It's going to take 2 - 4 months to cycle if you want to keep your fish healthy.

    Make sure not to touch your filter during the cycle. don't clean it, don't remove any media, don't rinse the media. try to leave your substrate alone as well.

    I agree with the others and would switch to SEACHEMS prime if you can and forget the other additives - although some here have said they like to use Stability during a cycle to help reduce the toxic effect of ammonia and nitrites.,

    Whoever advised you on your stock did you and them wrong. As as been said, loaches belong in schools, however a loach or any other bottom dweller should always be added to your tank AFTER it's been cycled since toxins settle at the bottom. The loach is taking the brunt of it I'm afraid.

    GBR's also should generally be added to a tank after it's well established as they are sensitive little critters. I hope yours continues to do well. Keep up on those water changes for his sake as well.

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