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    Geophagus sp.Pindare? Seems these are a smaller genus (6"). Both the Firemouth and HRP are a little on the aggressive side (they are not friends) but they are still pretty small so I'm hoping if I get a similar sized geo he would be able to hold his own, even though they are relatively peaceful?

    Footprint of the tank is 48" x 18" (22" tall)

    Will be running sump filtration (I have a thread with the new tank in the General forum).

    Lots of rocks and bogwood for caves, black sand substrate.

    I don't want to have to upgrade to a larger tank so the question is, will this be suitable for these fish once they are full grown?

    Thanks!

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    ...Or do I even have room for another cichlid once the Firemouth and Honduran (and possible third) are full grown? If so... any suggestions for other Central Americans that would be able to hold their own with these two brawlers?

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    I really don't think there is room in the tank for a third fish. My concern is the aggression you talk about. A four foot tank limits your stocking choices when it comes to cichlids. The two fish are working out an agreement now, but as the fish age that is only going to get worse and if you are lucky they might work out a liveable agreement between the two of them. Adding a third fish now would only complicate things and raise aggression levels even more.
    When I go fishing I just place a sharp rock in the water and sit there waiting for all the dead fish to float to the top... Kingfisher
    Brutal honesty will be shown on this screen.
    I think my fish is adjusting well to the four gallon, He's laying on his side attempting to go to sleep on the bottom of the gravel.
    Tolerance is a great thing to have, so is the ability to shut up.

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    Thanks mommy! They are going from a 40 to an 80, but the footprint really isn't expanding all that much. Definitely more width, but the length is exactly the same. I kind of knew it wouldn't be a great idea but the confirmation is good, keeps me from making a hasty decision!

    I was remembering something byron said a while back about pharamones (or something) they release being more problematic, as the fish sense these chemicals. I was thinking that maybe more volume would more disperse these "chemicals" and maybe the footprint wouldn't be as big a deal since it's double the volume... but that now seems like a bit of a reach

    What about another non-territorial (perhaps schooling) fish that would occupy the upper regions of the tank? Would the bio-load be OK with two full grown cichlids and a school of smaller fish?

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    Bio-load isn't really the problem it's the space each fish wants to claim. Dither fish would be a better idea. You want fast moving larger tetra, rasbora, or barb etc. Rosy barbs, congo tetra, or maybe some buenos aires tetra might work.
    When I go fishing I just place a sharp rock in the water and sit there waiting for all the dead fish to float to the top... Kingfisher
    Brutal honesty will be shown on this screen.
    I think my fish is adjusting well to the four gallon, He's laying on his side attempting to go to sleep on the bottom of the gravel.
    Tolerance is a great thing to have, so is the ability to shut up.

    I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.


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    Quote Originally Posted by mommy1 View Post
    Bio-load isn't really the problem it's the space each fish wants to claim. Dither fish would be a better idea. You want fast moving larger tetra, rasbora, or barb etc. Rosy barbs, congo tetra, or maybe some buenos aires tetra might work.
    Oh wow, love the congo tetras...i wish I had a tank big enough for them, gorgeous fish
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    I agree and at the same time disagree... The Rio Pindare Geo is good and gets big boddied but they are nice little guys. HRP's are a softer version of a convict and I housed them with discus without issue but the firemouth is about same size and is seen as a personal threat... You either need 4-5 fish in there or you need to stick with the two and get some dithers. I would sooner put a blue acara in with them.

    Keep in mind as well geo's are schooling fish (though not manditory) and earth eaters... they are wonderful aditions to your tank. I have suri's and red head tapajos in my tank currently with an EBJD and they do just fine. Thats a 75gal tank.

    Additionally - all geo's grow at a slower rate than the other cichlids commonly sold in the hobby... you need to be aware of that and get a bigger fish than the other or it will be abused in the power structure.
    FW: 1 45gal, 1 40gal, 3 10gal, 3 30gal all community tanks of different species
    Sw: 1 55gal, 1 30gal show, 1 29gal show, 1 20gal and 2 10's

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    I seem to recall you being the one to encourage me to go with the Honduran Red Point mix when I was considering a HRP to go with my Firemouth a few months ago, Sandz. I got the HRP and I couldn't be happier with her! They bicker back and forth but nobody does any substantial damage to the other, and they have their distinct territories.

    So am I to understand that perhaps the geo won't be seen as a threat because maybe they are not as territorial as either the HRP and FM? Or is it more that they look different enough?

    I'm still going back and forth here. I would LOVE one more CA Cichlid, but would be happy with a dither of schooling fish... any way I could do both, if the school was top-dwelling??? (or would that be greedy?)

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    Well im really happy to hear that! Glad I could get HRP in a tank for you. BTW you would be good to order from the Wet Spot up in Portland or just make the trip up there, you arent that far away.

    If the tank is an 80 - I would encourage a columbian tetra or something of the like in the 15 or so range stocked independantly of 3 or 4 geo's if you really want to go that direction. Red Head Topajo's or Jurupari are going to be your best bet to stand up for themselves. They have a bit of a spine but dont attack outright.

    I keep 5 tapajos and 2 surinemesis with the EBJD in the 75 i mentioned just to give you #s and scale. Its a 4ft tank and they get along without a single nipped fin. Thats without any dithers yet. I will be stocking 10-15 Congo tetra with them.
    FW: 1 45gal, 1 40gal, 3 10gal, 3 30gal all community tanks of different species
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    If I did 3 geo's (I love the red heads!) with the Firemouth and the Honduran, 48Lx18Wx22H would be sufficient for the duration of their lives? This would be a dream for me if it would work, but I don't want to get too excited as I know I will not be upgrading this particular tank (as much as I'd love to).

    I know territories are a bigger concern than bioload, but I'll have a sump system (not sure the GPH yet) and a powerhead to stir up the debris from the substrate. I also have a spare cannister filter rated for 170 gallons, and a AC110 HOB filter if really necessary (along with a few other smaller filters if I want to get really crazy... which I don't want to do).

    I'm guessing I would need to be sure to get the geos at 3 or 4 inches (if not bigger) to ensure they can stand up for themselves while the other cichlids catch up, and perhaps surpass them, in size until the geos are much older (due to their slow growth rate).

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