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    Sorry, but I think you are jumping the gun a bit thinking you might be cycled - you have not seen nitrites yet at all, and generally thats the longest part of the cycle. Until you have 0 ammonia AND see nitrites appear then drop, you are not cycled. There's no way a tank cycled in a week.

    Other than that note, you've been given good advice above. Don't use anything but dechlorinator, change enough water to keep your ammonia below 0.5ppm, get yourself a power filter rated for double your tank. I wouldn't get too serious about vacuuming your gravel either - I believe there's quite a lot of bb in the substrate, so you want to leave what you can in the tank and working on that cycle for you.

    Good job so far, it really shows you are trying to do the best you can for your fish!
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    Quote Originally Posted by sheamurai View Post
    Sorry, but I think you are jumping the gun a bit thinking you might be cycled - you have not seen nitrites yet at all, and generally thats the longest part of the cycle. Until you have 0 ammonia AND see nitrites appear then drop, you are not cycled. There's no way a tank cycled in a week.

    Other than that note, you've been given good advice above. Don't use anything but dechlorinator, change enough water to keep your ammonia below 0.5ppm, get yourself a power filter rated for double your tank. I wouldn't get too serious about vacuuming your gravel either - I believe there's quite a lot of bb in the substrate, so you want to leave what you can in the tank and working on that cycle for you.

    Good job so far, it really shows you are trying to do the best you can for your fish!
    Hm I figured it was a bit too quick. But I didn't get a water test kit until two days ago. So I was hoping I missed the nitrite spike.

    Alright I won't vac the gravel then. Good call. Wasn't sure if the poopies would make a difference. My snail has been keeping busy though. So it shouldn't be bad.

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    And do NOT use the Tetra SafeStart. It will raise your ammonia to 1.0 ppm. And you can't do water changes for 2 weeks if using it. It will expose your fish to a toxic ammonia level. No need to use it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gronlaura View Post
    And do NOT use the Tetra SafeStart. It will raise your ammonia to 1.0 ppm. And you can't do water changes for 2 weeks if using it. It will expose your fish to a toxic ammonia level. No need to use it.
    I thought SafeStart lowered the ammonia...? Huh!

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    Therre's nothing that actually "gets rid" of ammonia. All these products do is convert it to another, less toxic, form.
    I don't know anything specific about these ammonia products as I don't use them (except Prime in emergency situations), but if you use them during cycling you risk foxing the water test readings you get as you will never really know what your ammonia levels are naturally.

    And there's no need to use them, when water changes reduce the toxicity of the ammonia (in all its forms) of your tank water.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sheamurai View Post
    Sorry, but I think you are jumping the gun a bit thinking you might be cycled - you have not seen nitrites yet at all, and generally thats the longest part of the cycle. Until you have 0 ammonia AND see nitrites appear then drop, you are not cycled. There's no way a tank cycled in a week.

    Other than that note, you've been given good advice above. Don't use anything but dechlorinator, change enough water to keep your ammonia below 0.5ppm, get yourself a power filter rated for double your tank. I wouldn't get too serious about vacuuming your gravel either - I believe there's quite a lot of bb in the substrate, so you want to leave what you can in the tank and working on that cycle for you.

    Good job so far, it really shows you are trying to do the best you can for your fish!
    I totally flubbed this one, I somehow missed that this tank is only a week old. There is no way it is cycled yet. My apologies.

    The cycling with fish sticky is here, follow it as closely as possible: http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aqua...ad.php?t=36492

    sheamurai gace you excellent advice on what to do. Cycling with fish is no cakewalk, but it is doable, I have done it with the 10 gallon in my sig, we made the classic rookie mistake of following LFS advice on setting up a tank.

    Check your water daily, do you water changes with Prime, and hopefully the fish you have now will make it through just fine.

    Again, sorry for the misguided advice.
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    It's so refreshing to see someone care so much, and take good advice!

    All I can add is, make sure the new water you add during changes is the same temperature as the tank....temp swings can really hurt fish, and once you are cycled, please come back for stocking advice. Tetras are schooling fish, and will need more eventually. (Btw, what kind of tetras?)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Azurescriber View Post
    It's so refreshing to see someone care so much, and take good advice!

    All I can add is, make sure the new water you add during changes is the same temperature as the tank....temp swings can really hurt fish, and once you are cycled, please come back for stocking advice. Tetras are schooling fish, and will need more eventually. (Btw, what kind of tetras?)
    They are neon tetras. I'll look into getting more. Basically we got them to cycle the new tank. But it looks like I'll be cycling with all of them.

    The new tank got set up, filled, and dechlorinated last night. We wanted it to sit for 24 hours to get to the same temp as our other tank before adding fish. I'm thinking we will keep both of them full just in case, and keep checking the levels on both. Empty one every other day or so, stocked one every day.

    My other half still thinks we should put the tetras in the new tank to start the cycling and keeping the guppies in the smaller tank. Then it keeps the ammonia levels lower in each tank. But then we could potentially have 2 tanks cycling at the same time. BUT then if one starts to cycle then the fish could be moved to the other. BUUUT I don't want them being shocked.

    I'm still torn. So I'm doing more reading before we add the fish tonight. Blegh.

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    I'm not sure what the point will be for checking levels on the empty tank - the existing bb will reduce the ammonia in that tank to zero, then, as there are no fish in it, and hence no waste/food, the bacteria will die and the tank will no longer be cycling - it will just be a tank of water.

    If you do opt to keep fish in both tanks, don't transfer fish from one to the other until the cycle is complete - if you add fish when one "starts to cycle" then you will just throw off the ammonia levels and perhaps stall your cycle for a period of time.

    Its great that you are soliciting advice and doing research - but its also possible to overthink things...don't make it more complicated than you have to.

    I personally would opt for one tank, one set of tests, one waterchange as required. but thats just my opinion, not a statement on which would be better!
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    Quote Originally Posted by akamps View Post
    I thought SafeStart lowered the ammonia...? Huh!
    SafeStart is not a water conditioner, but is for cycling your tank with fish. I cycled my 75 gal with it and won't use it again. Your ammonia will rise to at least 1.0 ppm and you can't do a water change for 2 weeks after adding the SafeStart. Your fish are swimming in ammonia water for 2 weeks.
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