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  1. #1

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    and let them not be forgotten! - korith One back at you! - steeler58 Never too late to drink to the fallen. - KevinVA Have another tetras for the new tank - steeler58 Have another tetra, you need more fish anyway :) - steeler58 
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    So I'm in the planning stages of a hillstream tank. I have always loved this set up and I want to try my hand at it. However I am having difficulties selecting fish for such a tank. I'll explain why in a minute. First I'll lay the ground work on what I'm going to do.

    I've got a 40B I'm going to set up with a two powerhead manifold system. I've got an idea I'm drawing up that would (if successful) allow me to have this system without any additional filtration. There will be no heat on this tank but it will be located in a climate controlled sun room. There will be variations in temp for sure, but hopefully not too much. I can see it getting warmer in the summer, but so far the heating unit has kept the room fairly comfortable during the winter months.

    I'll have a base layer of pool filter sand and since I live on the Tennessee river I'm going to source my river stones from there.


    Ok, now comes my fish problem. The mostly obvious fish for this tank would be the various hillstream loach ssp. These were the fish that got me interested in this design in the first place but they are proving very difficult to find here. I don't want to order them because I'd like to see them first (they have a reputation of being malnourished). That and the cost of getting a sizable group of them. I'm waiting to call a certain LFS I've not been too to see if they get them in or will get them for me. Right now I'm looking at other options. For the top of the tank I'm looking at either Giant Danios or White Clouds. Leaning towards the danios. In the event I can't get hillstreams I'll need other bottom fish. I'm thinking two rubber lip plecos and possibly peppered cories. I'd be up for a goby or two, but I've run into the same problem with them as I have with the loaches.

    So here is the list.

    Giant Danio school
    2 rubber lip plecos
    school of Peppered Cory Cats
    Possible shrimps?
    Increasing your biodiversity increases your stability.

    You know what this tank needs? ........................ Crypts.

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    Oh, what fun! This sounds very exciting and I'm looking forward to watching you build this.

    Both the Giant Danios (and actually the zebra as well) and the White Cloud minnows have spent time on my Fish Wish List. It will be interesting to see which you pick and why.

    The Danios look awesome, but my concern was that they are known to jump and I'm not wanting jumpers... but they sure are cool looking fish! A LFS I've seen has both the Giant and Zebra Danios in a showtank together and that sure does look neat.

    Which shrimp are you considering?
    40 gal fw: 3 male Platys; 16 Neon Tetras; 9 Cherry Barbs; ~30 Red Cherry Shrimp; an Assassin snail; a Mystery snail
    live plants: 2 Lace Java Fern on dw; a Moss ball; 2 bunches of Java Moss on rocks; some Cladophora algae on dw

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    Whiptail Farlowella Cats would be cool to be in this tank. I would not do shrimp in a heavy current tank. The only exception would be a bamboo shrimp to post up and filter feed.
    FW: 1 45gal, 1 40gal, 3 10gal, 3 30gal all community tanks of different species
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    Everything I read about hillstream tanks mentions loaches...I would not hesitate to order them from TWS
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  5. #5

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    and let them not be forgotten! - korith One back at you! - steeler58 Never too late to drink to the fallen. - KevinVA Have another tetras for the new tank - steeler58 Have another tetra, you need more fish anyway :) - steeler58 
    Good advice on the Flame tetra, I can't rep you any more, so have a "cherry barb" - steeler58 Now you have 15! - Slaphppy7 T.G.I.F.! - Slaphppy7 Have a Cory!! - steeler58 Good Luck - pRED 
    Sorry about the betta - Slaphppy7 to your next Betta - Fishhook Bottoms up! - Slaphppy7 Chin-up - Cliff sorry for your loss. - cm12setx 
    T.G.I.F.! - Slaphppy7 Enjoy the 4th my friend! - Taurus Sharring my winnings - steeler58 Thanks for the rep :) - rebecca_finny for giving a catfish its first taste of human. - cm12setx 

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    Quote Originally Posted by RiversGirl View Post

    The Danios look awesome, but my concern was that they are known to jump and I'm not wanting jumpers... but they sure are cool looking fish! A LFS I've seen has both the Giant and Zebra Danios in a showtank together and that sure does look neat.

    Which shrimp are you considering?
    I'm going to get a glass top with a hole big enough to fit two power cords and two air lines. So I think I'll keep the fish from carpet surfing lol. As for shrimp I wasn't sure. I have read in the past there are a few types that do ok in this system but I wasn't sure which ones, if any.

    Whiptail Farlowella Cats would be cool to be in this tank. I would not do shrimp in a heavy current tank. The only exception would be a bamboo shrimp to post up and filter feed.
    I thought about bamboo shrimp and I'd do that, but I thought they needed a more tropical environment. I would love one or two if you think they would do well.

    Everything I read about hillstream tanks mentions loaches...I would not hesitate to order them from TWS
    Exactly, it's all about the loaches. I just can't bring myself to pay 18 bucks a fish + 40 bucks shipping for a project I've never done before. I want to get familiar with the set up and know I can pull this off before making that kind of investment. If I can get them locally, heck yeah!! But I feel like, in this hobby, go into something new slowly and you'll be rewarded.
    Increasing your biodiversity increases your stability.

    You know what this tank needs? ........................ Crypts.

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    and let them not be forgotten! - korith One back at you! - steeler58 Never too late to drink to the fallen. - KevinVA Have another tetras for the new tank - steeler58 Have another tetra, you need more fish anyway :) - steeler58 
    Good advice on the Flame tetra, I can't rep you any more, so have a "cherry barb" - steeler58 Now you have 15! - Slaphppy7 T.G.I.F.! - Slaphppy7 Have a Cory!! - steeler58 Good Luck - pRED 
    Sorry about the betta - Slaphppy7 to your next Betta - Fishhook Bottoms up! - Slaphppy7 Chin-up - Cliff sorry for your loss. - cm12setx 
    T.G.I.F.! - Slaphppy7 Enjoy the 4th my friend! - Taurus Sharring my winnings - steeler58 Thanks for the rep :) - rebecca_finny for giving a catfish its first taste of human. - cm12setx 

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    If I could walk to the store and get these, this is what I'd get.

    Homaloptera parclitella
    homaloptera_parclitella.jpg

    Gastromyzon ctenocephalus
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    Gastromyzon viriosus
    Gastromyzon-viriosus.jpg

    Gastromyzon ocellatus
    Gastromyzon-ocellatus-2.jpg
    Increasing your biodiversity increases your stability.

    You know what this tank needs? ........................ Crypts.

  7. #7

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    Must be beer time - mommy1 poor baby.  here's your beer after your difficult week - fishmommie And here' the box of tissues I didn't use crying because I feel so bad for you :o) - fishmommie have a cyber-miller for 9,000 posts! - steeler58 have a cyber-miller for 9,000 posts! - steeler58 
    it has been a rough work week and it's 5'o clock somewhere - cm12setx Because bunnies are good in threes. - KevinVA Oh Oh... they're multiplying!!! - fishmommie Back atcha! - KevinVA Back at you,  good sir! - Compass 
    I'm glad somebody's keeping this "old tradition" alive :) - steeler58 Here's to the 4th and nose hair fiascos! - Taurus got otos - cm12setx otos -- yay - RiversGirl Oto - SeaLady 
    Heres to getting the fish we like and the 4th of July wich was nice enough to be on a friday! - steeler58 Using some of my winnings on friends and you probably could use some coffee :) - steeler58 So very sorry :( - steeler58 TGIF! May the good Lord be with you and your family Matt. - Taurus Have a cyber-miller and forget about "trolls" first person I saw that did not like you, LOL!! - steeler58 
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    Well, I guess so!...they are all gorgeous
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    and let them not be forgotten! - korith One back at you! - steeler58 Never too late to drink to the fallen. - KevinVA Have another tetras for the new tank - steeler58 Have another tetra, you need more fish anyway :) - steeler58 
    Good advice on the Flame tetra, I can't rep you any more, so have a "cherry barb" - steeler58 Now you have 15! - Slaphppy7 T.G.I.F.! - Slaphppy7 Have a Cory!! - steeler58 Good Luck - pRED 
    Sorry about the betta - Slaphppy7 to your next Betta - Fishhook Bottoms up! - Slaphppy7 Chin-up - Cliff sorry for your loss. - cm12setx 
    T.G.I.F.! - Slaphppy7 Enjoy the 4th my friend! - Taurus Sharring my winnings - steeler58 Thanks for the rep :) - rebecca_finny for giving a catfish its first taste of human. - cm12setx 

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    Yeah. I liked the idea of having a few of each tail color. Then toss in that H. parclitella cause that skin color looks awesome. Reminds me of a copperhead.
    Increasing your biodiversity increases your stability.

    You know what this tank needs? ........................ Crypts.

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    Those are BEAUTIFUL!! oh my. Such beauties.

    I dropped in to the (fancy) LFS this afternoon and spotted a hillstream loach -- It was awesome looking!

    I totally want one now -- but of course can't because I am not setting up the water current that it needs. My LFS very gently broke that news to me. *grins* I'm so excited to hear about yours.

    Please educate me: Are any of your above photos a hillstream loach?
    40 gal fw: 3 male Platys; 16 Neon Tetras; 9 Cherry Barbs; ~30 Red Cherry Shrimp; an Assassin snail; a Mystery snail
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    Don't know if you've read these - a couple of great articles about setting up a river tannk -

    http://www.loaches.com/articles/hill...-the-fast-lane

    http://www.practicalfishkeeping.co.u...t.php?sid=5455

    From the second article -

    "Once your tank has cycled, start stocking with small ‘dither fish’ that will enjoy the fast flow and lower temperature. Some of the smaller danios, rasbora, and barbs make ideal candidates for this role as do the mountain minnows and other coolwater cyprinids such as species of Barilius."


    I will be following your set-up, as I am seriously considering setting up a hillstream tank this winter. I think the loaches are the way to go. It's the only reason I want this type of setup.
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