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  1. Default Can a shrimp colony maintain a cycle?


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    I have setup a 6.4 gallon tank for a Betta, however the Betta in question I have purchased from Aquabid and I wont receive it til may, so I was thinking of getting some cherry shrimp, but I have no idea how much waste they make, will they hold the cycle til the Betta is added?


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    It is my understanding that shrimp have a very small bio-load. Regardless, the cycle will always grow/decrease to meet the needs of the current inhabitants. Unless it is just a few days between adding the shrimp to adding the betta the bio-filter will adjust to only the shrimps needs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mommy1 View Post
    It is my understanding that shrimp have a very small bio-load. Regardless, the cycle will always grow/decrease to meet the needs of the current inhabitants. Unless it is just a few days between adding the shrimp to adding the betta the bio-filter will adjust to only the shrimps needs.
    Right that's what I figured, now im not sure what to do, the problem with adding ammonia is the amount of algae that keeps sprouting (I cleaned 95% of it out yesterday as it was starting to look like a jungle).

    I guess I could just add the shrimp, then when the Betta arrives dose some Prime to ensure any excess ammonia/nitrite that may appear wont harm the inhabitants?


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    Regardless, the shrimp may be cool to establish in the tank and add to its ecosystem. The issues shouldnt be to heavy considering the labrynth organ fish will be fine. After seeing your tank shot and the meer fact of your concern means that you care enough to be changing water and testing frequently when this new arival hits you.
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    It is true betta are labrynth fish but this is not a reason to disregard their gills. Yes, the Prime will help, but keep in mind Prime loses its ability to detoxify ammonia in 24-48 hours. Since the tank is cycled it won't take long for the bio-filter to catch up. Regardless, I agree with Sandz, it's probably a good idea to add the shrimp first anyway so they can find their hiding spots and establish themselves in the tank. Especially since the betta may go after them as a food source.
    Last edited by mommy1; 04-02-2014 at 01:06 PM.
    When I go fishing I just place a sharp rock in the water and sit there waiting for all the dead fish to float to the top... Kingfisher
    Brutal honesty will be shown on this screen.
    I think my fish is adjusting well to the four gallon, He's laying on his side attempting to go to sleep on the bottom of the gravel.
    Tolerance is a great thing to have, so is the ability to shut up.

    I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.


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    Quote Originally Posted by mommy1 View Post
    It is true betta are labrynth fish but this is not a reason to disregard their gills. Yes, the Prime will help, but keep in mind Prime loses its ability to detoxify ammonia in 24-48 hours. Since the tank is cycled it won't take long for the bio-filter to catch up. Regardless, I agree with Sandz, it's probably a good idea to add the shrimp first anyway so they can find their hiding spots and establish themselves in the tank. Especially since the betta may go after them as a food source.
    Ok cool, i'll get the shrimp first then. How many should I get? I was thinking 8?


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    8-10 is a good starting number.
    When I go fishing I just place a sharp rock in the water and sit there waiting for all the dead fish to float to the top... Kingfisher
    Brutal honesty will be shown on this screen.
    I think my fish is adjusting well to the four gallon, He's laying on his side attempting to go to sleep on the bottom of the gravel.
    Tolerance is a great thing to have, so is the ability to shut up.

    I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.


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    Quote Originally Posted by mommy1 View Post
    8-10 is a good starting number.
    Great, but how many in total could I have in the tank with the betta?


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    As many as they can produce, really... Their bioload is so small and they can reproduce like pond snails if kept properly. You'll probably end up with a colony about 20-30 large in a few months, if the Betta doesn't eat them and you take good care of them. It may grow beyond that.

    When first introduced into my original betta tank, my betta attacked my amano shrimp. When he finally realized that he couldn't really eat them (too big, I presume - or possibly too fast), he ceased pursuit and lived happily along them. RCS would probably end up a tasty treat. So, it's definitely a good idea to add the RCS first and Betta later.

    Also, your Betta's bioload isn't going to be very large. He's a bigger fish, but they're not very active. Your bacteria colonies should adjust appropriately with some time and it won't take very long. It's likely you'll never see a spike in ammonia.
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    Perhaps I'm missing something but if you know you're getting a betta in 8 weeks or so.... sponge filters are pretty good for bettas. Why not stick that into your big tank until then?

    Cherry shrimp have a very low bioload. to maintain any cycle you'd need 50 or so and feed them well.

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