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03-13-2014, 12:39 AM #11
lol, no my dog came from a very reputable breeder he has never been abused nor is aggressive in the least. His temperament towards people and other animals is rock solid. He has behavioral issues primarily extreme separation anxiety which some on the forum know my SO and I have battled for the better part of 5 months with him. His other behavioral issue is he pulls like a freight train...hence the collar. I have been through 2 dog trainers, my current one has trained dogs for over 30 years and has worked with lots of the bully breeds has never encountered a dog like our Deuce (in her own words). We have switched to the pincher to avoid damaging his neck, spine and throat. This is the extent of his pulling, and he will pull for no reason just for the sake of pulling. Yet he has no desire to pull a cart
In the photos he was hanging out with us on the back deck after I took him on a 2 mile run, he exercises twice daily. He is on the treadmill for 2 miles before being crated(has never helped his anxiety) and he is either out in the yard with his flirt pole and playing fetch or running with me. I have also had him at the vet for his anxiety, pulling, and general over excitement. The vet has ruled out everything leading him to believe that Deuce has a chemical imbalance which leads him to becoming very excited very easily. We have tried various medications and training methods to no avail as well...the vet thinks that neutering may help which we are scheduled for in about 6 weeks.
For the pincher....I do not feel it is a cruel "extreme" item. He has pulled on the leash honestly since the day we brought him home at 8 weeks. Yep been through gentle leaders which he cannot tolerate, no pull harnesses dont work either. Pretty much every device known to mankind has been used and the pincher is what works. Ours has the silicone tips, he has never had an injury. I was always against pinchers as well they just look bad...but after having used one it does miracles. We call it his brake system because a tiny correction with it and he responds. Deuce is so headstrong he needs that little extra kick to get him to listen, this is especially important when outside the home where he may encounter other people. Not that I think he will maul them, he would only trample them to the ground to lick them...but given his breed I would be sued. Also after being on a pincher for all leash activity for the past 3-4 months he actually does not pull as bad as before, you can actually walk him without it now. Just not if other people or animals are around as that just sends him into over excitement mode.
I also find it humorous that we instantly jump to the conclusion that given his breed and the use of the collar he must have been trained to be violent. Many owners of all breeds sometimes resort to using a pincher for a period of time in their dog's training, this is especially true if the dog is larger or stronger than its owner or its behavior just poses a risk to injury to itself. When used correctly...a pincher is a wonderful tool. However it should not be abused and over time the pincher will curb a dog's tendency to pull because it learns the correction and correlation with pinching with pulling. Some are however stubborn blockheads on overdrive which this processes takes much longer than expected.20G High-Tech Planted|50G High-Tech Planted|50G Goldfish Tank|56G Column Low-Tech Planted
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03-13-2014, 01:01 AM #12
We had to use a pincher with my chocolate lab when I was younger. She was pretty much the same way. I honestly don't think there's anything wrong with your dog... he's just full of puppy energy and isn't aware of how big/strong he is. My lab probably didn't settle down until she was about 3-4yrs old and even then, she still managed to run across the neighborhood every now and again to go see another lab two blocks over. lol
I think it's important to note that all dogs, no matter the breed, can sink back into their instinctual behavior and are unpredictable.
03-13-2014, 01:03 AM #13Member CoryCat
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03-13-2014, 02:11 AM #14
03-13-2014, 02:40 AM #15
Last I checked anyway
I also think that you are correct, it is a puppy thing also probably combined with some genetics. His parents are true working type APBTs very lean muscular athletic dogs...which have a lot of drive. Pits were also bred to be alert and easily stimulated so perhaps he is just a the high end of the spectrum. I do feel that age and neutering will help, he was a terror between the ages of 6-10 months. He has settled a lot the past month and a half.
I grew up with the breed and never remember them being quite this willful or overly excited. My present dog trainer has worked with hundreds of pits and still says Deuce is a great dog but still unlike any she has ever seen. He knows what he should and should not do, however still tries to do what he should not do just to see if he will get away with it. If he gets away with it at all even once, months of training is completely undone. I must give him props he determined to say the least.20G High-Tech Planted|50G High-Tech Planted|50G Goldfish Tank|56G Column Low-Tech Planted
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03-13-2014, 03:15 AM #16Member CoryCat
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03-13-2014, 12:05 PM #17
You got a grate looking family there Jenn
I love the brindle coloring in your dog.
We too had to us a pinch caller on our black lab cross until he was around 4 years old. That dog had more energy then he know what to do with. When talking him on walks, he would try to bolt if he saw other dogs, especially other dogs playing. He always want to run over to make new canine friends. As he was 110 lbs, the pincher was the most effective way to prevent him from running across the street.
I think most people do not understand the prongs on the caller never dig into the dog's neck, only moving backwards and pinching some skin in between the prongs. They are actually very safe when fitted and used correctly and simulate a natural correction that a "alpha dog" or pack leader would give other dogs, or mother dogs would give their puppies, when they step out of line.
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03-13-2014, 01:15 PM #18
I'm a small dog person myself but several years back a neighbor's 20-something son brought home a pit puppy he named Friday. She grew up to be one of the sweetest, calmest dogs as this kid worked daily with her on heeling, sitting - all the usual commands. My small silky terrier - who was not a fan of most other dogs - was her best friend.
But Friday didn't know her own strength! As her owner's mother was walking her one day through the wooded area around our condo complex, they startled a couple of deer and Friday took off in pursuit, toppling my neighbor. She had to let go of the leash so she wouldn't be dragged too far. She went back to the house, grabbed her car keys and returned to the area. Just shaking the keys and calling brought Friday back as she loved riding in the car more than chasing the deer. The dog was fine, my neighbor was not hurt and no, Friday didn't catch the deer.
Since these are such strong dogs, you gotta do what you gotta do to keep you both safe. I hope the neutering and maturity settles him down a bit for you.
03-13-2014, 01:20 PM #19
And those are some great looking varmints you have there, ma'am.
03-13-2014, 03:58 PM #20
For some excellent insight about pit bulls, "The Lost Dogs" by Jim Gorant. It is the true story of the Michael Vick fighting dogs. 51 pits were seized, 2 were euthanized as they were so traumatized they literally shut down and could not be rehabbed. The 49 remaining dogs were sent to several rehab groups and many were adopted into loving homes - updates are found online (many were/are at Best Friends in Utah).
Another really good read is “Wallace: The Underdog Who Conquered a Sport, Saved a Marriage, and Championed Pit Bulls--One Flying Disc at a Time", also by Jim Gorant. Wallace (who succumbed to cancer last August) was unadoptable, but became a world champion flying disc dog.
Also watch "Pitbulls & Parolees" on Animal Planet. Many of their rescues were horribly abused or left for dead.
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