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  1. Default Sick rummynose tetras


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    Water Params
    29 gallon
    pH: 7.2
    dkH: 3
    dGH: 6
    Temp: 78
    Amonia, Nitrite, and Nitrates all read 0. Nitrates were reading before I started using purigen but now they read 0.

    This is a community tank and the only tank I have, no real option for quaratine, and no real space in my small apartment for one anyhow.

    This problem started yesterday. My rummynose tetras are rather new. I have had them about a week. They are still rather pale colored, but the color is better then when i first got them. They all exhibit what seems to be nipped back tail fins but most seem to be regrowing well. I considered this to just be normal damage from shipping to the LFS and pecking order establishment. One of the rummynose is troubling me though. It seems to have a slightly swollen belly with a very slight redness on one side. On the other side it appears there is a very slight shape of a pellet under the skin. As far as i can tell this has rapidly developed in the last day. He also seems to be having a bit of trouble swimming with his tail end kind of sinking. He does eat and he is schooling with the rest of his buddies. The only medication i currently have on hand is salt, pimafix and melafix. Salt is usually contraindicated for tetras. I stopped at my pet store today, but the workers weren't knowledgeable. The medicines they have available are : triple sulfa, erythromycin, tetracycline, api general cure, and some other things.

    So this morning, the sick guy looks about the same, maybe a little more sick. Now i notice that a different tetra has a pale whitish/silver nose. I can't tell if this is just him looking pale because he is stressed or some kind of mouth bacteria/fungus. Some of the other tetras have sheens of lighter patches on their bodies but it is hard to tell whether or not this is actually something growing on them or me being hypercritical. I did a 25% water chance and added a small dose of pimafix/melafix. I wish I had real medicine. I order some kanaplex and paraguard. It should be here late this week. Maybe too late.

    I fed them all this morning and they all seemed interested, but the sick guy is definitely having problems swimming.

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    sorry about your rummys
    more info would help. what other fish do you have in the tank and in what numbers?
    Do any of the other fish exhibit any signs of sickness?
    what is your water maintenance schedule?(how often do you change it and how much?)
    what is your filtration?
    how long has the tank been set up?
    Were the tail fins nipped when you got them or did that happen after you added them to your tank?
    Photos would also help

    In the meantime, I think I'd do another larger water change - say 50% - in the even you're dealing with fin rot.
    As for the fish swimming at an upward angle - you may be dealing with a swim bladder issue.
    30 g FW planted:corys, ABNP, blue angel, harleys, zebra danios, nerites & mystery snails
    15 g FW planted: crown tail betta, neons, snails
    90 g FW semi planted: Blood Parrots, severum, Jurupari, EBJD, congos, kribs, clown pleco, snails
    90 Gal Journal: http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aqua...ad.php?t=93939
    Fishless cycling: http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aqua...ead.php?t=5640
    Cycling with fish: http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aqua...ad.php?t=36492

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    Hi, thank you. The tank has been set up for months with a pleco and a spotted catfish. I took those out several weeks ago now, and added new fish. The cycle has been running good with all levels 0, and nitrates around 10-20. I do weekely water changes of about 25%. My filtration is dual 20gallon Aquaclear hang on the back filters. I recently switched the carbon out for purigen, and since doing that have had 0 nitrate readings as well.

    The other fish I have are 2 german blue rams, 1 dwarf gourami, 1 apositgramma sp. unknown. They are all doing perfectly fine and showing high activity, eating well with good colors. These fish were stable in the tank for over 2 weeks.

    The new tetras were added last week. I have 12. About half of them came with nipped fin on the back. The bottom part was nipped off. Dorsal, etc seem fine. The back fins actually seem to be regrowing since I have got them, but they are not regrown yet. They however most assuredly are not worse.

    Here is a video of the sickest tetra:

    It is hard to tell, but he seems to be more white inside than the others, he also has a bump about the size of his eye on one side of his body. On the other side of his body is a small reddish mark that looks like it is also inside of him. One other tetra is kind of exhibiting the same symptoms now. This new tetra is also somewhat white inside. One other tetra has a grayish/white face. It does not look like mouth fungus pictures I have seen, as it is pretty much his whole head. It looks as though he is just scared and pale as can happen. I will know more tonight. What are your suggestions?

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    Initially, if the fish came with nipped fins, i'd have returned them. torn fins are ripe for fungus to set in and may have launched your trouble right off the bat. Since you've only had them a week, I would contact your LFS and explain the situation to them. Often they will allow you to exchange or give you a refund.
    In the meantime, from what I've read, rummys can have difficulty initially adapting to new surroundings. You might be able to attribute the lack of coloration to that.
    You also have them with 3 very aggressive types of fish - there may be some stress from that as well.
    The fish that is swimming off balance would appear to have a swim bladder issue. generally you can treat it with salt, however, I think rummys are intolerant of salt.
    I'm going to bump steeler58 who is well versed in tetras - rummys included - and see what he has to say. I'm sure he'll have more conclusive answers/suggestion than me.

    But, in the meantime, I'd do another water change - maybe even some daily back to back W/C's for a week to help combat any further damage to the fins. Clean water is the best medicine for that. I'd also up the weekly water change to 30 - 50%. Your rams also need pristine water
    30 g FW planted:corys, ABNP, blue angel, harleys, zebra danios, nerites & mystery snails
    15 g FW planted: crown tail betta, neons, snails
    90 g FW semi planted: Blood Parrots, severum, Jurupari, EBJD, congos, kribs, clown pleco, snails
    90 Gal Journal: http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aqua...ad.php?t=93939
    Fishless cycling: http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aqua...ead.php?t=5640
    Cycling with fish: http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aqua...ad.php?t=36492

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    Thank you for your advice, and thank you for bumping your friend to give additional advice. I will talk to the LFS and see what they say. I have kept Blue Rams with black tetras before with absolutely no problem. The apistogramma is very small right now and hasn't visibly bothered them as far as I can tell. I thought dwarf cichlids would be okay for this size tank?

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    Quote Originally Posted by daviddolphin View Post
    Thank you for your advice, and thank you for bumping your friend to give additional advice. I will talk to the LFS and see what they say. I have kept Blue Rams with black tetras before with absolutely no problem. The apistogramma is very small right now and hasn't visibly bothered them as far as I can tell. I thought dwarf cichlids would be okay for this size tank?
    dwarfs cichlids are fine for the tank. So is the DW gourami I'm just not sure how the rummys will fair with them. It may be no issue at all but thought I'd mention it because it's possible they may add to the rummy's stress level.
    I PM'd steeler and attached a link to your thread. You'll hear from him but it may be later as he's most likely working today.
    Hope you get a good response from the LFS.
    30 g FW planted:corys, ABNP, blue angel, harleys, zebra danios, nerites & mystery snails
    15 g FW planted: crown tail betta, neons, snails
    90 g FW semi planted: Blood Parrots, severum, Jurupari, EBJD, congos, kribs, clown pleco, snails
    90 Gal Journal: http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aqua...ad.php?t=93939
    Fishless cycling: http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aqua...ead.php?t=5640
    Cycling with fish: http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aqua...ad.php?t=36492

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    Try the water change that Fishmommie suggested but only 30%, Rummy nose are very sensative to changing water conditions, do this every third day with a good conditioner (prime if you have it or Kordon Amquel Plus ) Also getting some sort of cover would help, they like a well planted tank, even if you put some fake plants in the tank that reach the surface will help.

    Just my 2 cents, and keep the light out for awile also, this will cut down on stress.
    Last edited by steeler58; 02-11-2014 at 04:09 PM.
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    Thanks steeler58. Any comment on the internal whiteness or bumps/internal ulcers I am seeing? When should I worry? When should I start euthanizing sick fish?

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    Also, would you recommend me using any pimafix/melafix. If not, I will go back to using chemical filtration. Should I use purigen or carbon?

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    Give it a couple of days before you put any of them down. What they have would appear to be internal so I don't know if treating them with pimafix/melafix would help. When you got them, how did you acclimate them?

    It is a good sign that they are so active.
    Last edited by steeler58; 02-11-2014 at 04:32 PM.
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