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01-28-2014, 04:02 AM #1
Jack might be done-super aggressive stomach parasite.
A little background, I have a 6 foot 120 gallon tank and kept 3 cichlids. Green Terror, Jack Dempsey, and Nicuragua cichlid. About six months ago I lost my green terror. He looked completely terrible when he got sick. Scales looked beat up and eyes sunken into his head. I gave him a clove oil bath immediately. He was bullied an awful lot from Jack and Nicuragua and I thought he had succumed to the stress. My 2 other cichlids in the tank remained healthy. Then 5 weeks ago my Nicuragua cichlid could no longer float properly, I euthanized him the next day. He still looked great and was eating regularily, the only change I noticed was for the past month he wasn't coming out to greet me as usual. I thought he had a swim bladder problem, maybe from over eating.
Jack seemed fine in the tank by himself, he has always been shy and never greeted me so I wasn't concerned about his behavior. Today I noticed his scales looking beat up and he was floating with his head tipped up slightly. I also saw the tell tale white stringy poo hanging from his butt. I bought API general cure, cleared out my 10 gallon and put jack in and dosed accordingly. He put up no struggle to net, he may be too far gone. Well see.
Hopefully this gives some insight into cichlid diseases and gives others some clues to look for when somethings wrong so they can treat before they lose fish. This disease seems to kill extremlely fast, the only clue I can forsee is a change in behavior. More hiding less outgoing.
The pics of Jack are from before I netted him. The middle pic was Nicuragua when I knew he was done.
01-28-2014, 11:47 AM #2
Sorry to hear about your bad luck.
Another option to address situations like this, is to give your main tank a very very large (75% or more) water change and gravel vac followed by a full treatment in your main tank of Prazi-pro. You will still need to treat your main tank as there are most likely some parasite eggs in there that will hatch and re-infect your fish once your return him after treatment. There is a lot of debate as to how long these eggs can remain viable in the tank before hatching and becoming free-swimming so I have always treated the whole tank when I even suspected parasites. A med like Prazi-pro is gentle enough on fish that it won't cause them stress or discomfort when treatedIf you take your time to do the research FIRST, you can successfully set-up and keep ANY type of aquarium with ease.
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01-28-2014, 01:19 PM #3Senior Member Red tailed catfish
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And many people use an anti-parasitic medication when they initially quarantine a new fish - that can eliminate a lot of problems - unless that was done.
01-28-2014, 02:43 PM #4
so sorry about your fish. That's a tough loss.
I'm with Cliff on the prazi pro. As a matter of fact, I treat all of my tanks with Prazi Pro twice a year as a preventative even if I haven't introduced any new fish. As Cliff said, it's very gentle and seems like the old adage 'an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure' really holds up here.
good luck with Jack. I have an EBJD that is growing beautifully to maturity and I'd be heartbroken if something happened to him.
01-28-2014, 03:15 PM #5
Okay I'll look into that, thanks!
01-28-2014, 03:42 PM #6
You might even want to get some Metro + and dose the tank. It contains an antibiotic in case he has an infection. Metro+ can be used in conjunction with prazi pro but I'd do a half dose just to be safe.
Oh - and do a huge water change before you dose the tank so he has tons of fresh water. If you have him in a smaller QT, I'd even change the water daily and figure out from the dosage directions how much of the prazi and metro you need to replace based on what was lost in the W/C. I'd also start dosing asap or it may be too late
Good luck. I'd hate to see you lose him.
01-28-2014, 07:15 PM #7
Yes, the hospital tank is dosed with api general cure-250mg metro and 75mg prazi per 10 gallons. He made it through the night. He seems more aware of his surroundings today. I can see his eyes moving to look up and around. His breathing is rapid but has calmed down since this morning. His stomach seems bloated. I'm okay with whatever outcome, but hopefully I see some improvement in the next day or two.
01-28-2014, 07:36 PM #8
well, at least he hasn't gotten worse. as for the bloating - you might read up on epsom salts. I know it's sometimes used for bloating but I have had no experience with it. And I don't know if it would be too much with the medication.
Check the fish disease section here on the AC and see if anything rings any bells. And I wouldn't feed him. It might just add to his stress
Good luck. Such a nice big and pretty fish :o)
Last edited by fishmommie; 01-28-2014 at 07:41 PM.
01-28-2014, 08:44 PM #9
Sorry to hear you're having problems , I'm sure you'll get the help you need here . He is a good looking Jack . How old is he, and what does he eat?ask ?'s and change some water pair of JD's and loving it.
01-28-2014, 08:57 PM #10
Good question, I have no idea. I'm guessing 4-5 years old. He likes New life spectrum large fish pellets and algae wafers.