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    Cursory research suggests that it is possible for the bacteria to enter a "dormancy" stage in acidic conditions, which could mean they activate in good conditions.

    Alternatively, I suppose it is possible that algae or other microscopic plants could produce enough oxygen to keep a colony alive in a bottle, or that they are only providing the anaerobic bacteria. That would help a cycle, but isn't a whole cycle... Interesting. :)
    20 gallon with a male betta, neons, glowlights, and red cherry shrimp. (work in progess) Recently added a few LIVE plants and driftwood, Woooohoooo!

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    Could I find pure ammonia at Lowes, Rona or Home Depot? Kind of silly that Big Al's wouldn't have it. They really pushed the Safe Start. It seems that serious hobbyists nearly universally use ammonia and fishless cycle.

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    It's possible, but here in the states the Ace hardware stuff is (usually) easy to find...you must use PURE ammonia solution, no dyes, perfumes, surfactants, etc...if you shake the bottle and it foams up, don't use it
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    it is actually hard to find due to the other uses people started using it for - aka ammonia nitrate - but Ace is one of the few places that still does. Most places sell the scented stuff now as it still works for cleaning but the impurities and detergents make it worthless for other purposes. Pure ammonia has sense become known as Janitorial Ammonia.
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    No dyes, perfumes, surfactants, etc. is exactly the reason aquarium stores should sell ammonia. Because my local places don't, I have to venture out cautiously. Kind of annoying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bean_there View Post
    No dyes, perfumes, surfactants, etc. is exactly the reason aquarium stores should sell ammonia. Because my local places don't, I have to venture out cautiously. Kind of annoying.
    I agree 100%...should be as common as fish food in aquarium shops
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    I cycled my 75 gal with Safe Start on the advice of my LFS. I won't do it again. It did a great job and I had a cycled tank in 2 weeks, but the ammonia did get to 1.0 ppm for about a week or so. Tetra advises that you should not do any water changes for 2 weeks so the ammonia feeds the bacteria so they can grow. Do not put your fish thru what is essentially a fish-in cycle - a very short fish-in cycle, but still very stressful for the fish. Retailers push the Safe Start because it makes them $$$.

    Do a fishless cycle with ammonia if you can find it. If not, you can do a fish-in cycle, but don't use the Safe Start. Read both the fishless and fish-in cycling stickies. If you follow the fish-in cycling sticky you will be able to keep your ammonia levels at a max of .25 ppm, which is much less stressful for the fish. Again, I recommend no Safe Start, no matter what your LFS tells you.
    Last edited by gronlaura; 01-17-2014 at 05:37 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bean_there View Post
    Could I find pure ammonia at Lowes, Rona or Home Depot? Kind of silly that Big Al's wouldn't have it. They really pushed the Safe Start. It seems that serious hobbyists nearly universally use ammonia and fishless cycle.
    That's why they don't carry ammonia - they want you to buy the very expensive Safe Start.
    My 75 gal Journal & My Dual 29 gal Journal
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    a fish store about a hour drive from me even said to me "why would you even put ammonia in your tank? may as well just piss in it" was like really? and then he tried to push on me some $40 bottle of "cycle tank in a bottle crap" of course it didn't help the wife was with me so i did get some smaller bottle of safe start to help. But never again. will do it properly from here on out.
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    I agree. I spoke to Tetra several times during my cycle - the 1.0 pm of ammonia is very normal using this product. My dual 29 gals will be fishless cycled with seeded bio media from my 75 gal. I will do a fishless cycle to make sure I have enough BB in the seeded biomedia to support my fish. Should be able to add fish to the first 29 gal next weekend.
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