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    I think there is something wrong with my fish but im not really sure what. They are no symptoms apart from the fact they dont swim around much. I have filmed a quick video so you can see their behavior:



    Surely they should be more active than this? My readings are:

    Nitrate 20
    Nitrite 0

    Not sure on ammonia as I dont currently have a test kit but the tank has been cycled for 12 months so I dont see how there could be any ammonia?

    The tank is well oxygenated and I do a 25% water change every week. I lost 5 fish recently but its been 7 days and so far no more have died. The ones that died didnt have any symptoms, they were ok one day then dead the next.


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    They do appear a bit lethargic... my concern is the reason why you recently lost 5 fish. Even though the tank has been running for some time it is still important to have on hand the api liquid ammonia test for times like this. I would definitely up your weekly water changes to 50%, nitrates shouldn't go over 10 ppm and 20 seems high for a planted tank like yours. Also, do you use Prime with your water changes? Sometimes water companies flush their lines this time of year and there is more chlorine in the water... just a thought
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    +1 to JJ's advice.
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    Agreed with the Nitrate reading. When was the last time you cleaned your filter? That might be the cause.

    Also, how many Black Phantom Tetras do you have? By themselves or having only a couple in a tank isn't going to spur a good amount of movement. In small numbers like this, they'll stake out their own territories, but in bigger groups (shoals, since they don't really school), you'll see much more activity.

    The neons also look uncomfortable. They should have more in their school to make them comfortable (I only see 4?). That might be a contributing factor to why they're so still.

    So, clean your filter, do a big water change and see if your nitrate values decrease. That might change their behavior, but if it doesn't, you'll probably need to up your schools/shoals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JudiJetson View Post
    They do appear a bit lethargic... my concern is the reason why you recently lost 5 fish. Even though the tank has been running for some time it is still important to have on hand the api liquid ammonia test for times like this. I would definitely up your weekly water changes to 50%, nitrates shouldn't go over 10 ppm and 20 seems high for a planted tank like yours. Also, do you use Prime with your water changes? Sometimes water companies flush their lines this time of year and there is more chlorine in the water... just a thought

    I do have prime but havent used it in a while, I use JBL Biotopol for my water changes. I was planning on taking a water sample to my local fish shop tomorrow to check for ammonia as the test kits arent exactly cheap.


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    There isn't a lot of water movement in that tank. Try getting the surface a bit more agitated and I think it will help. Also what temperature is the water? Fish in cooler water will move less than fish in warmer water.
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    Quote Originally Posted by serbusfish View Post
    I do have prime but havent used it in a while, I use JBL Biotopol for my water changes. I was planning on taking a water sample to my local fish shop tomorrow to check for ammonia as the test kits arent exactly cheap.
    Get yourself the Seachem Ammonia Alert (don't bother with the pH Alert - it isn't accurate). At Petsmart it's by all the testing items, costs about $10. It is good for a year and will give you a constant ammonia reading. It uses the same test disc that's in the Seachem Multi-Test Kit. I just replaced the one in my 75 gal.
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    The API master test kit is on amazon for 19.99 with free shipping... imo if you're going to spend 10 on an ammonia alert, why not spend 20 and get the whole kit? Just a thought! Beautiful tank btw : )

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    Quote Originally Posted by KevinVA View Post
    Agreed with the Nitrate reading. When was the last time you cleaned your filter? That might be the cause.

    Also, how many Black Phantom Tetras do you have? By themselves or having only a couple in a tank isn't going to spur a good amount of movement. In small numbers like this, they'll stake out their own territories, but in bigger groups (shoals, since they don't really school), you'll see much more activity.

    The neons also look uncomfortable. They should have more in their school to make them comfortable (I only see 4?). That might be a contributing factor to why they're so still.

    So, clean your filter, do a big water change and see if your nitrate values decrease. That might change their behavior, but if it doesn't, you'll probably need to up your schools/shoals.
    Sorry, i've only just noticed your post!

    I havent cleaned my filter since November, I found the last time I did it there wasnt THAT much muck in it (and that was after 4 or 5 months). To be honest the nitrate reading could be anywhere between 10 and 20, the colour chart is quite hard to read in this range so I opted for 20.

    I have 4 black phantoms and 5 neons. I did have 10 neons to start with but over time I gradually lost the others. I could add more neons but I dont think adding fish at the moment is a good idea due to the recent deaths, not to mention one of my pencilfish is a bit pale and seems to be panting atm.

    I will clean the filter media though.

    Quote Originally Posted by mommy1 View Post
    There isn't a lot of water movement in that tank. Try getting the surface a bit more agitated and I think it will help. Also what temperature is the water? Fish in cooler water will move less than fish in warmer water.
    Well I have a betta so ive aimed my filter output nozzel at the back wall of the tank to reduce surface agitation, it still ripples (thats whats oxygenating the tank) and the water still circulates. My temperature is at 25'c.

    Quote Originally Posted by shifttofirst View Post
    The API master test kit is on amazon for 19.99 with free shipping... imo if you're going to spend 10 on an ammonia alert, why not spend 20 and get the whole kit? Just a thought! Beautiful tank btw : )
    I might get a master test kit, the separate ones are too expensive IMO! And thanks, apart from the algae on the 'face' im fairly happy with it, though my nerite snail is getting to work on it! :P


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    Well an update, I have an external filter with a basket of sponges at the top, and white media underneath. Normally when I lift the basket of sponges out all the water drains, but 2 of the sponges where retaining water (!) so I guess it must have been longer than I thought since I last cleaned it! The white media had hardly any dirt on them at all.

    Tank is a little cloudy now but hopefully it will clear soon, i'll keep an eye on the fish and take things from there.


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