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    Don't forget to cycle the tank BEFORE adding any fish! :) There are some good bacteria you need to cultivate, so make sure any bleach is completely gone. Incidentals to consider for proper aquarium maintenance:

    API test kit (like talldutchie said)
    Water siphon/water changer/gravel vac or a big bucket
    Algae remover tool (scrubber, etc)
    Net
    Water conditioner (removes chlorine)

    Welcome to the fold! ;)
    20 gallon with a male betta, neons, glowlights, and red cherry shrimp. (work in progess) Recently added a few LIVE plants and driftwood, Woooohoooo!

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    Quote Originally Posted by talldutchie View Post
    I hate to confuse newbies but....

    I don't think I'd use bleach. Yes it's a powerful disinfectant but it has a nasty habit of lingering for a long time, especially in porous media like ceramics.
    I don't know where this idea started but I have to respectfully disagree. Chlorine bleach will completely gas off in a couple of days and if it doesn't, a soak in a good dechlorinator will take care of any trace remnants.
    When I go fishing I just place a sharp rock in the water and sit there waiting for all the dead fish to float to the top... Kingfisher
    Brutal honesty will be shown on this screen.
    I think my fish is adjusting well to the four gallon, He's laying on his side attempting to go to sleep on the bottom of the gravel.
    Tolerance is a great thing to have, so is the ability to shut up.

    I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.


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    If that's the case then why does that smell linger for so long?

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    Furthermore, use of bleach as a disinfectant does not form dioxins. In its manufacturing process, hypochlorite bleach begins as salt and water. After use, the compound breaks down mainly into salt and water during or quickly after use. As an EPA-registered disinfectant, bleach classification as a "pesticide" and related language can sometimes cause further misperception when bleach is actually one of the world’s most widely available and used disinfectants.
    Bleach and respiratory effects: The characteristic smell of bleach is indicative of a disinfected environment, but should not be a cause for concern for any adverse health effects. This is because the sensory threshold levels for chlorine species is well below any levels recognized to cause potential respiratory irritation, or overt health effects, and is reflected in the current occupational limits. It is unlikely that typical recommended uses of these disinfectants, used in accordance with the label directions, will exceed the occupational exposure limits for chlorine. In fact, the odor threshold for chlorine (when the scent is noticeable) is listed at 0.002 ppm in air and 0.31 ppm in water (EPA 1994b, 1999). Perceivable sensory irritation, however, occurs at 1.0 ppm in air, 500 times that of the odor threshold (EPA 1999. Cited from “Toxicology Profile for Chlorine”, ASTDR, USDHHS, September 2007). Taken from http://www.infectioncontroltoday.com...ach-odors.aspx

    A Risk Assessment Report (RAR) conducted by the European Union on sodium hypochlorite conducted under Regulation EEC 793/93 concluded that this substance is safe for the environment in all its current, normal uses.[26] This is due to its high reactivity and instability. Disappearance of hypochlorite is practically immediate in the natural aquatic environment, reaching in a short time concentration as low as 10−22 μg/L or less in all emission scenarios. In addition, it was found that while volatile chlorine species may be relevant in some indoor scenarios, they have negligible impact in open environmental conditions. Further, the role of hypochlorite pollution is assumed as negligible in soils. Taken from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bleach
    When I go fishing I just place a sharp rock in the water and sit there waiting for all the dead fish to float to the top... Kingfisher
    Brutal honesty will be shown on this screen.
    I think my fish is adjusting well to the four gallon, He's laying on his side attempting to go to sleep on the bottom of the gravel.
    Tolerance is a great thing to have, so is the ability to shut up.

    I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.


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    And your point being? This still says nothing about bleach lingering in small holes in the ceramics.

    Additionally... why disinfect if the tank has been dry for 2-3 weeks?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mommy1 View Post
    Furthermore, use of bleach as a disinfectant does not form dioxins. In its manufacturing process, hypochlorite bleach begins as salt and water. After use, the compound breaks down mainly into salt and water during or quickly after use. As an EPA-registered disinfectant, bleach classification as a "pesticide" and related language can sometimes cause further misperception when bleach is actually one of the world’s most widely available and used disinfectants.
    Bleach and respiratory effects: The characteristic smell of bleach is indicative of a disinfected environment, but should not be a cause for concern for any adverse health effects. This is because the sensory threshold levels for chlorine species is well below any levels recognized to cause potential respiratory irritation, or overt health effects, and is reflected in the current occupational limits. It is unlikely that typical recommended uses of these disinfectants, used in accordance with the label directions, will exceed the occupational exposure limits for chlorine. In fact, the odor threshold for chlorine (when the scent is noticeable) is listed at 0.002 ppm in air and 0.31 ppm in water (EPA 1994b, 1999). Perceivable sensory irritation, however, occurs at 1.0 ppm in air, 500 times that of the odor threshold (EPA 1999. Cited from “Toxicology Profile for Chlorine”, ASTDR, USDHHS, September 2007). Taken from http://www.infectioncontroltoday.com...ach-odors.aspx

    A Risk Assessment Report (RAR) conducted by the European Union on sodium hypochlorite conducted under Regulation EEC 793/93 concluded that this substance is safe for the environment in all its current, normal uses.[26] This is due to its high reactivity and instability. Disappearance of hypochlorite is practically immediate in the natural aquatic environment, reaching in a short time concentration as low as 10−22 μg/L or less in all emission scenarios. In addition, it was found that while volatile chlorine species may be relevant in some indoor scenarios, they have negligible impact in open environmental conditions. Further, the role of hypochlorite pollution is assumed as negligible in soils. Taken from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bleach
    Your question was why did the smell linger for so long. My point, which is now in bold in the quoted text, is the smell only means the area has been disinfected (which is why we use bleach in our aquariums in the first place, to disinfect) and under normal usage it is safe to use.
    When I go fishing I just place a sharp rock in the water and sit there waiting for all the dead fish to float to the top... Kingfisher
    Brutal honesty will be shown on this screen.
    I think my fish is adjusting well to the four gallon, He's laying on his side attempting to go to sleep on the bottom of the gravel.
    Tolerance is a great thing to have, so is the ability to shut up.

    I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.


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    I just got all my supplies and I found that amazon.com and ebay had a lot of steals on supplies if you browse through them places you can get some real bargains on new equipment to go with your tank. for example I paid $60.00 less for my canister filter than i saw it anywhere else on amazon.

    If you let ppl Know about where you are living there are plenty of forum members that maybe some are close to you and can help you out to get you going

    Quote Originally Posted by Virginia16 View Post
    Yes :) so I'm learning to think in liters re tanks. Thanks for the recommendations for the other fish.

    At this point I feel like I'm going in circles and wondering if I've set my budget correctly. I thought if I bought used I could get something very simple set up correctly with a fish and few shrimp + plants for 100 euros, but I'm starting to wonder! There are cheap cheap tanks to be found but only the tank itself, or there are nicer tanks that have a lot of the other necessary supplies but are still missing something I need (light source for plants, decent filter, etc) *or* they come with fish and seem a bit overstocked.

    Thanks again!
    My Aquarium Journal
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    4 Spotted Corys
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    10 Ghost Shrimp
    9 Black Skirt Tetra
    5 Long Fin Black Skirt Tetra
    6 Mickey Mouse Play
    1 Assassin Snail

    75 Gal Planted tank 65% stocked

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    Thanks again - I promise I will remember to cycle the tank!

    I'm in France and have been looking on the craigslist equivalent called Leboncoin and still haven't really managed to come up with a solid plan. There seems to be a nice setup of an 100L tank with a Fluval U4 filter (looks very clean, seems well maintained, and does not come with random ugly accessories) but it does come with 8 goldfish that appear to be growing at a fast pace, lol. And it's not exactly next door...

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    Image - Welcome wave.gif to the AC! We are a lively (and very knowledgeable) bunch!!!
    My 75 gal Journal & My Dual 29 gal Journal
    My 75 gal - 10 Gold Pristella Tetras, 4 Scissortail Rasboras, 9 Neon Dwarf Rainbowfish, 5 Longfin Zebra Danios and 2 Regular Fin
    My Dual 29 gals, a work in progress - Tank 1 - Amano Shrimp, Peppered Cories, Tank 2 - Glowlight Danios and a Calico BNP

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    well something else to look at as you get your research together is you want a filter that is rated for twice the aquarium size you have. for example my 75 gal aquarium i needed at least a 150 gal filter and i got me a 160 gallon. it is important because that will help keep yer fish healthy and happy
    My Aquarium Journal
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