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Thread: Filter ?
09-30-2013, 08:15 PM #1
OK when I bought my 55 gal tank it came with 2 Penguin Bio-wheel 350 filters. My ? is can I use both or would this be to much filteration or should I just use one? Right now I have been using one for the past month and a half. The fish have in it is.
1 Golden Gourami
1 silver molly
11 Neon tetra
1 red tail shark
1 rubber lip placo
2 sunburst platy
They all are living happy with each other and behaving well.
also will be adding 5 Black neon tetras aqadviser says I would be at 96% stock on fish for my tank. They also said i'm at 90% filteration with one and would be at 181% with two.
09-30-2013, 08:48 PM #2
Most here would agree that there is no such thing as overfiltration. I'd use both. You should have double the filtration for the size of your tank. IE: if you have a 55 gal, you should have filtration equivalent to at least 110. Just watch the water flow and if you see it's too much current for your fish then do some adjusting where you can.
Just curious. How did you cycle your tank? did you do a fishless cycle (see my signature line), add Beneficial bacteria from your established tank, or are you still cycling?
09-30-2013, 09:01 PM #3
I had my 10gallon up for a yr with a Red tail shark, Rainbow shark
and three mollys with a couple crabs. The silver one is the only molly left witch is in the 55 now. When I cycled my 55 I used the water, gravel and fish from the 10 and added microbe-life. ( A complete ecosystem in a bottle) LOL. as instructed by the only fish store we have here.
09-30-2013, 09:11 PM #4
I'd be a bit concerned that your tank may not yet be cycled. The gravel would contain some beneficial bacteria but the media in your old filter would have contained much more. If you didn't use it by in your new filter, the tank may still be cycling.
What is your water change schedule? How often and how much to you change out?
Are you monitoring your Ammonia, Nitrites and Nitrates with an API liquid master test kit? If so, what do each of those read? If ammonia and nitrites are anything but 0 ppm, the tank is not cycled. Nitrates should be around 20pppm.
You are not over stocked by any means so if your water changes have been frequent and large, the fish are probably handling things but you really should check those 3 basic elements to make sure there are no toxins in the tank. any ammonia or nitrite reading approaching .50ppm requires an immediate water change. nitrates above 20 also require a change.
let us know.
also - see the cycling with fish link in my sig line that explains the nitrogen cycle and how to achieve it.
09-30-2013, 09:25 PM #5
when I did water test I would take them to the fish store and they used API master kit. Every thing was good but ph was low. I went and bought my own kit finally and every thing is good but PH was high. As for water changes they told me to keep doing at least 3 gallons a day for the first month then 28% witch is 15 gallons once a week. I haven't cleaned filters are gravel as of yet and with water changes I have been adding API Stress coat + per directions with the once a week changes.
09-30-2013, 09:38 PM #6
Glad you got the API test kit.
Your daily water changes, though not a lot of volume, has probably seen you through this.
What do your ammonia and nitrites and nitrates read now?
Also you say your PH is high - unless it's out of the ball park high, I wouldn't worry about it. A stable PH is much more important than and 'ideal' PH. the instability is what generally does damage to the fish.
Just an fyi - you've been doing a great job. Most here would agree, however, that 50% water change once a week as maintenance once your tank is cycled is your best bet. You can never do too many water changes. fish love fresh water and fresh water is the best general cure for any issues that might arise. The Stress Coat is up to you but IMO it's an unnecessary expense if your tank is cycled = 0 ammonia and nitrite and 20 or less nitrates. If it's not yet cycled then it will, perhaps, help diminish the effect of any toxins.
Last edited by fishmommie; 09-30-2013 at 09:40 PM.
09-30-2013, 09:46 PM #7
I just did a water change today as Mondays are my days off. Mondays are water change day. I'm getting ready to do a test since its been a few hours after the water change. I'll start a 50% water change next Monday I'll post my test when i'm done. Thanks for your time and help!!
09-30-2013, 09:52 PM #8
It won't hurt to test today but since you just changed the water, it won't really tell you what you're up against, if anything. I'd also do another one on Wed or Thursday just for comparison then another next Monday.
Again - if you ever see ammonia or nitrites above .25ppm, you really should do a water change asap.
Nitrates above 20ppm - same story :o)
Last edited by fishmommie; 09-30-2013 at 09:54 PM.
09-30-2013, 10:37 PM #9
Ok didn't know to do test before Thanks. Well I did a test before I read your response and it goes like this.
Nitrate 80 way high
High ph 8.0
09-30-2013, 10:48 PM #10
I wouldn't worry about the PH - my local fish store has a ph of 8 all the time. 7.6 is good.
I'd double check the nitrates. That particular test is tricky.
Make sure you shake bottle #1 for about 5 - 10 seconds then add 10 drops to the vial.
Then shake bottle #2 for a full 30 seconds before adding 10 drops to the vial.
Then shake the heck out of the vial for 60 seconds and wait 5 minutes.
If you still get that high nitrate reading, I'd do a 75% to 80% water change yet tonight because that's way too high to be healthy for the fish. Then check again tomorrow and if the nitrates aren't below 20 ppm, I'd do another large change until you get them there.
Let me know what your reading is if you decide to retest tonight.
Oh - and the good news? Your tank is definitely cycled :o)
Last edited by fishmommie; 09-30-2013 at 10:51 PM.