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    1 Not allowed!
    In addition, while the fish's body growth is stunted, the internal organs are not. They continue to grow at a normal rate which causes abnormalities and loss of critical function.

    I know you weren't prepared to hear any of this. Most people see gold fish in a bowl and think - cool. And they only anticipate that a gold fish will live for a few months because everyone they know who has owned a goldfish died after not very long. This is why they die. the small quarters kills them. It's not pleasant and it's not pretty.

    Here are 2 links with profiles about the black moor. you will note that both say 30 gal is the minimum sized tank for this fish.

    http://www.myfishtank.net/freshwater...moor-goldfish/
    http://www.aquariumpassion.com/profi...-goldfish.html

    Even if your intentions are to move it later, why not start it out right and eliminate the stress of moving it rom a small tank to a larger on since you need the larger tank anyway? Much better for the fish all the way around. :o)

    Hope this has helped.
    30 g FW planted:corys, ABNP, blue angel, harleys, zebra danios, nerites & mystery snails
    15 g FW planted: crown tail betta, neons, snails
    90 g FW semi planted: Blood Parrots, severum, Jurupari, EBJD, congos, kribs, clown pleco, snails
    90 Gal Journal: http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aqua...ad.php?t=93939
    Fishless cycling: http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aqua...ead.php?t=5640
    Cycling with fish: http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aqua...ad.php?t=36492

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    0 Not allowed!
    Quote Originally Posted by fishmommie View Post
    In addition, while the fish's body growth is stunted, the internal organs are not. They continue to grow at a normal rate which causes abnormalities and loss of critical function.

    I know you weren't prepared to hear any of this. Most people see gold fish in a bowl and think - cool. And they only anticipate that a gold fish will live for a few months because everyone they know who has owned a goldfish died after not very long. This is why they die. the small quarters kills them. It's not pleasant and it's not pretty.

    Here are 2 links with profiles about the black moor. you will note that both say 30 gal is the minimum sized tank for this fish.

    http://www.myfishtank.net/freshwater...moor-goldfish/
    http://www.aquariumpassion.com/profi...-goldfish.html

    Even if your intentions are to move it later, why not start it out right and eliminate the stress of moving it rom a small tank to a larger on since you need the larger tank anyway? Much better for the fish all the way around. :o)

    Hope this has helped.
    Okay, I think I get it. So I know you said thirty, but would a twenty gallon be okay? I don't think I have room for much bigger than that, so would a twenty be fine or should I just not get one until I have space?
    x2

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    I would wait till you have space there are a lot of stuff you can do with a 20. If you like gold fish you could get rosy red minnows that are similar and could fit in a 20 gallon. They are sold as feeder fish so you will have a lot of die off until you find healthy ones but they are very very cheap.
    20 gallon tall: empty
    29 gallon: moderately planted with 9 bloodfin tetra, 1 german blue ram, 11 glow light tetra and 1 BNP
    10 gallon QT: empty

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    Everything I've read about the black moors indicate 30 gal is minimum. Sorry.
    Sounds like you have your heart set on this fish so if that's the case, then yes, I'd wait until you have the room. And remember - 30 is the minimum. A 50 gallon would be even better,

    If you are eager to set up a 20 gallon, however, there are a lot of smaller, colorful fish you could keep in that tank. A school of cherry barbs, would be really pretty - a lot of color.
    http://www.tropicalfishkeeping.com/p...s/cherry-barb/

    Or, if it's a black fish you're looking for a 20 gal would be a great tank for 4 - 6 black mollies
    http://www.fishlore.com/Profiles-Mollies.htm gorgeous fish.
    You could add some snails if you like and depending on how you scape it, it would be a really nice tank.

    Those are just a couple of ideas. You could go a lot of ways

    Regardless of what you decide, goldfish require the same tank preparation and maintenance as other fresh water tropical fish - maybe even a little more maintenance as they produce a lot of waste. You need to cycle the tank (see the fish cycling links in my signature line) then make weekly water changes to keep them healthy.

    If you have more questions be sure to ask and good for you for listening. Some folks come here wanting to hear what they want to hear and get upset when it's not what they expected. You're a step ahead by being willing to learn. We are only here to help and have all been in your position at one time.
    30 g FW planted:corys, ABNP, blue angel, harleys, zebra danios, nerites & mystery snails
    15 g FW planted: crown tail betta, neons, snails
    90 g FW semi planted: Blood Parrots, severum, Jurupari, EBJD, congos, kribs, clown pleco, snails
    90 Gal Journal: http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aqua...ad.php?t=93939
    Fishless cycling: http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aqua...ead.php?t=5640
    Cycling with fish: http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aqua...ad.php?t=36492

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    I just remembered that I'm getting a 50 gallon for my butterfly koi fish in December, I looked at some compatibility charts and it said koi and goldfish are usually compatible. So after a quarantine period, can the goldfish go in the 50 gallon with the koi fish? Would that be enough space for all three of them?
    x2

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    What I know about butterfly koi is that they should only be in a pond as they get to be 3 feet long.
    Here's a link on their profile
    http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/gold...tterflykoi.php
    Sorry
    Last edited by fishmommie; 10-02-2013 at 12:37 AM.
    30 g FW planted:corys, ABNP, blue angel, harleys, zebra danios, nerites & mystery snails
    15 g FW planted: crown tail betta, neons, snails
    90 g FW semi planted: Blood Parrots, severum, Jurupari, EBJD, congos, kribs, clown pleco, snails
    90 Gal Journal: http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aqua...ad.php?t=93939
    Fishless cycling: http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aqua...ead.php?t=5640
    Cycling with fish: http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aqua...ad.php?t=36492

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    I agree with fishmommie there's a reason you never see koi in any size tank outside of pet stores, they get massive. The 50 gallon would be great for the black moor however.
    20 gallon tall: empty
    29 gallon: moderately planted with 9 bloodfin tetra, 1 german blue ram, 11 glow light tetra and 1 BNP
    10 gallon QT: empty

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    0 Not allowed!
    It's one thing to really want a certain fish and another thing to be able to be able to provide a large enough home for it fully grown.

    It's just not a great idea to home a fish in a tank that is barely or inadequate in size to "start off with".

    My neighbors had a goldfish pushing 6-7 inches in a 10gal tank - I felt sorry for it - it had nowhere to swim.

    What is always recommended here is to pick a fish and then make sure the tank you start off with is the right size for the full grown fish - and that the fish you want are compatible if different species.
    46 gal fw tank with black skirt tetras, neon tetras, spotted corys, cherry barbs, otoclinus, snails & 4 amano shrimp - plastic & live plants
    5 gal QT
    Remember: Our job is to take care of the water our fish live in

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