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    I just added 5ml of ammonia to my new 36g tank to begin my fishless cycle but it just occured to me that Prime claims to neutralize ammonia and I dosed my water about five minutes before adding the ammonia. Was that a mistake?

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    No. Prime detoxifies ammonia for a short time but does not remove it from the water column. If there is chlorine or chloramine in your water supply, those will kill off bacteria and need to be neutralized, so Prime, or some other brand of dechlorinator is needed regardless if there are fish in the tank or if you are cycling.
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    Okay thanks! Im really looking forward to having a cycled tank!

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    Good luck and I hope it goes quickly for you. I know it can be tough staring at an empty tank for a few weeks but it is well worth it once the cycle is done.
    When I go fishing I just throw sharp rocks in the water and wait for the dead fish to float to the top... Kingfisher
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    I'm just curious about something. If we are growing bacteria during a fishless cycle, is there some sort of limit as to how much bacteria we can grow? As in, is it possible to harvest a large amounts with pure ammonia and sustain them with fish? Or will the excess bacteria die off due to lack of feeding? I'm just trying to wrap my head around the bacteria growing process.

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    Your bacteria will grow and live mainly in your filter, but some will also be present on your hardscape, substrate, etc...the size of your filter (mainly) will determine how much bacteria you will grow...when your cycle is complete and you add fish, the bioload of the fish will determine how much of the bacteria survive...more fish = more bacteria...but be careful and do not overstock your tank with fish.
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    The amount of bacteria is only limited to available space and nutrients. The media in your filter has a much larger surface area than it appears because it is porous. Bacteria will grow in the pores so you can grow a huge amount of bacteria during a fishless cycle. It will also grow on the hard surfaces in your tank, but the media holds much more due to its porous nature. The bacteria will always die down or grow to the amount of nutrients it gets. When you add fish it will balance out to the bio-load of the tank.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vegeta1059 View Post
    I just added 5ml of ammonia to my new 36g tank to begin my fishless cycle but it just occured to me that Prime claims to neutralize ammonia and I dosed my water about five minutes before adding the ammonia. Was that a mistake?
    According to the manufacturer, Prime will break down chloramine (ammonia + chlorine), removing chlorine from the water and bonding with ammonia. It says it will "dissipate" after 48 hrs. "detoxify" is a cute word to make you feel good.
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    Prime works by removing chlorine from the water and then binds with ammonia until it can be consumed by your biological filtration (chloramine minus chlorine = ammonia). The bond is not reversible and ammonia is still available for your bacteria to consume. Prime will not halt your cycling process.

    In another part of the Q/A, it also says "forms of ammonia, nitrite and nitrate will once again be converted to their toxic forms after the 48 hours has passed making it necessary to dose with more Prime to bind these into a non-toxic form once again" which seems to contradict the former statement, and perhaps i don't understand what "the bond is not reversible" means ???
    I am not at all certain the bacteria are able to consume the ammonia bonded with Prime, but i am no chemist either.

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    Agree with previous answer. Just would like to add bacteria will reside pretty much everywhere. According to an aquarium maintenance professional i spoke to, the substrate is also a stronghold for bacteria. The more surface, the better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vegeta1059 View Post
    I'm just curious about something. If we are growing bacteria during a fishless cycle, is there some sort of limit as to how much bacteria we can grow? As in, is it possible to harvest ? a large amounts with pure ammonia and sustain them with fish? We grow & sustain bacteria with ammonia during the fishless cycle and then fish take over the feeding of bacteria with their own ammonia production from their wasteOr will the excess bacteria die off due to lack of feeding?Bacteria will die once the media is not exposed to ammonia for a certain amount of time (like a few days) or is allowed to dry and not kept wet (this is my understanding) I'm just trying to wrap my head around the bacteria growing process.
    Ammonia is what starts the process of bacterial growth (the nitrogen cycle) - the more surface area there is in the filter to grow it, the more is grown - therefore, the larger the tank & the more fish you put into it, the more surface area is needed to grow bacteria to handle the fish's ammonia.

    Once there is no more ammonia, the bacteria dies off.

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