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  1. Default Dwarf Hair Grass barely growing


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    Hey all. I'm about to give up on carpeting my DHG since I've had very little luck with it, despite going to multiple forums and my LFS for help. ):

    I've had my tank set up for almost 3 months now. I redid it from before and went for a natural look. I currently have Java fern, Java moss, some stem plants, amazon swords, and DHG, and may be adding some water sprite.

    My tank is a 20 gallon high with 2 T5 24 watt high output bulbs, Eco-complete substrate, and DIY CO2 system. I have used root tabs and am now dosing Flourish Iron, Flourish Trace, and Flourish after some of my plants begin yellowing and browning. Everything else seems to be growing decently except my DHG. It has barely spread at all in 3 months... I can barely even see the difference from Day 1. I see runners, but there aren't many at all and it's just growing extremely slow. On top of that, parts of bunches are browning and yellowing as well, even after I fertilize. The CO2 remains on for 10-12 hours a day with the lights, then an air pump comes on at night. My KH level was 9 when I tested it so I think I have plenty of carbon... lol.
    At this point, I'm not sure if it's best to just try something else or just let it be. I know it can take a while sometimes, but 3 months and barely seeing any growth means there's something off. I just don't know what because I've tried everything people have told me to do, but still no progress. So, this is the last forum I'll ask for help from until I consider just trying a new carpeting plant. Would love to grow this one though...
    Any ideas? Any help is appreciated

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    For dhg to grow fast you need lots of light and co2. Sadly i dont think 48w of t5nos will do the trick
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    I agree with genocidex, I never had much luck with hair grass until i went with pressurized co2 and high light. You could try dwarf sag, once it settles into the tank its roots tend to spread fairly quickly.

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    Oh wow, I followed charts too and they considered my lighting high. Guess that chart didn't apply to my tank too well lol.
    I just bought this lighting system so no way I can buy a new one, and I can't afford pressurized CO2 any time soon. Besides Dwarf Sag, would there be any other carpeting plants that would work well? I've been looking at HC but I says it requires a lot of lighting too which now, makes me nervous.

    And what should I do with the DHG? Maybe uproot it all and just plant it in one corner? Or maybe leave it? I mean, I see runners below the surface but it's just so terribly slow...
    Patience is so hard when it comes to aquariums.

    edit- Or is there any way of like, getting a new brand of bulb that will be stronger than my current ones? I have 2 of these http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...?ie=UTF8&psc=1 with this hood http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

    Maybe two of these? http://www.amazon.com/Zoo-Med-Trichr...upplies_text_z

    I was confused when buying these to begin with so I just went with my gut and well... guess it wasn't a great choice haha
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    Thank you for the MOTM nomination - mommy1 I think you deserve a random gift. Yes, I think you do. - PhillipOrigami For being a fellow MA native! - Lolita Happy Birthday to you. - jeffs99dime Merry Christmas - Cliff 
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    the bulbs you bought are the ones you can use with that light. theres no way around it. if you wanted to try to throw some diy leds under it, that might help but i doubt it will be enough unless you go with 5w+ each. but theres also a missing link between all this. DHG isnt a fast grower at all, unless its given all the nutrients and light it needs. i dont think you would be able to keep up with the co2 reqs if you up the light too much more. you can wait to see if the DHG grows in, you said it yourself they are rooting. dwarf sag would love your tank but i dont think it would be a "carpeting" plant like you want as they are kinda tall. with some work you could do a flame moss carpet, but that would require alot of work lol. i would keep the DHG TBH
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    I consider your lighting to be high, very high, as it is. The issue is most likely elsewhere.

    Aside from that, not all plants will grow together [= in the same tank] for various reasons. When one doesn't work, remove it and try something else.

    How are the other plants growing? Is algae present?

    Byron.

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    The other plants are doing okay. The stem plants are growing like a weed, and my java moss is spreading too. Only other problems I see are with some browning and small holes of my java ferns, and the tips of a few leaves on my Amazon are yellowing. That's why I also think I'm missing something else because it's not just my DHG that isn't doing so well.

    And yes, algae has started becoming present after I added the second light. There's the cloudy algae on my sides, as well as little algae circles and some on the driftwood. It isn't horrible though, it's mainly on my tank sides.
    Last edited by Ku0915; 09-08-2013 at 06:15 PM.

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    Sounds like a possible nutrient issue. I see that you mentioned using fertilizers already. Some plants like amazon swords are heavy root feeders, so they will benefit from a fertilizer in the substrate. I would find some fertilizer root tablets to put into the substrate. There are many brands out there, I use the diy osmocote tablets people make and evenly spread them out in the substrate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ku0915 View Post
    The other plants are doing okay. The stem plants are growing like a weed, and my java moss is spreading too. Only other problems I see are with some browning and small holes of my java ferns, and the tips of a few leaves on my Amazon are yellowing. That's why I also think I'm missing something else because it's not just my DHG that isn't doing so well.

    And yes, algae has started becoming present after I added the second light. There's the cloudy algae on my sides, as well as little algae circles and some on the driftwood. It isn't horrible though, it's mainly on my tank sides.
    This is a balance issue, so let's see if we can sort it out. I mentioned previously that no all plants do well together, and part of this is light. Anubias, Java Fern, Java Moss are low-light plants, and these must be shaded if the light is bright, as it is here. Java Fern assimilates nutrients from the water via the fronds (= leaves) and the roots; black areas on the fronds is said to be a sign of nitrogen deficiency (ammonium and nitrate). Areas of transparency in the fronds means the plant is receiving too much light. Brush algae is also fond of this plant, and it usually occurs in direct overhead light. I would also be concerned over adding iron, which may be the browning. Iron excess shows as brown blotches on leaves; this can also occur if calcium is not sufficient, as the plant uptakes more iron in place of calcium, leading to an iron excess which is actually a calcium deficiency.

    A photo of the tank and some of the plants would probably help. And what is the GH of the water (tap)? This is the prime source of hard minerals (calcium and magnesium in particular).

    How often are you dosing Flourish Comprehensive?

    Eco-complete is supposed to suply nutrients, but I am highly skeptical of this product or Flourite. When I had the latter (and these two are basically the same) my plants were not doing well at all. After 2 years I pulled the tank apart this past March and replaced the substrate with play sand; already things have improved.

    Substrate tabs as another member suggested would certainly help the larger swords. I use Flourish Tabs, one next to each of the larger swords every 3 months. Makes a vast difference.

    The algae is also a sign of an imbalance. This tank is only 3 months, so it should now be settled. Diatoms (brown algae) during this period are normal, but should not continue. Green algae is a sign of too high light that is not balancing the nutrients.

    You might want to remove one tube, as it seems you added it so presumably it can be removed. Then we can work to balance that. Forget the DHG, it is obviously not managing and the other issues indicate we do have a balance problem there.

    Let me know the above info, and we can continue.

    Byron.
    Last edited by Byron; 09-08-2013 at 07:37 PM.

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    I used the Flourish root tabs about a little over a month ago, and I even put more in a couple weeks ago for my DHG. They don't seem to be doing much at all besides helping the Amazon sword and stems a bit.
    I forgot to mention that my readings have been 0 ammonia, 0 nitrite, and 0 nitrates since it was redone. The only time I had an ammonia reading was 2 weeks after I set it up, and it was reading 0.25ppm. Since then though, I haven't had a sign of anything. Note that I did continue using the cycled filter media from when it was set up before, so maybe it's technically cycled... but the 0 nitrates has been worrying me and possibly could be part of the problem. I also test with an API kit that doesn't expire until 2017, so I know it's still okay.
    And I don't have a GH kit, only a KH but if it's necessary I can purchase one online. All I know is the tap water has 0.5 ammonia in it so I have to use Prime, and my PH in the tank is pretty high (7.8).

    Here's the pictures. Sorry for the brown water, tannin's are still leaking from my driftwood.

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    Brownish algae which is usually caused by nitrates, yet I have 0 nitrates in my aquarium. Not sure about this haha
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    Browning of my java fern
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    Tips of the fern are becoming a bit translucent
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    Yellowing at the tips of my Amazon
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    DHG

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