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  1. Default Flourite - Cloudy Water


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    Hey all,
    I've added the SeaChem Flourite substrate to my tank last night. Unfortunately I didn't have any means to rinse the stuff but looking on the internet it seems that potentially rinsing the stuff may wash away nutrients, therefore null and voiding the entire purpose of the product. However, the stuff has a bucket load of residual dust and I did my utmost best not to disturb this when adding water. I've seen other tanks that literally look like chocolate milk, mines more very transparent cloudy water (I can still see the back of the tank, however it's pretty murky). I had my filter running last night and then this afternoon I did a water change of about a 1/3 of the water, again not disturbing the bottom. I also rinsed all the padding in my canister filter and emptied it of water. I've re-attached the filter but left it turned of this time to see if the dust will settle a little better overnight. I'm expecting it to take a couple of days to clear up, possibly a week or two and during that period I'll do some water changes and light vacuum the surface of the substrate to get what I can without disturbing to much deeper. At the moment the tank is idle and doesn't have any fish in it, I'm basically letting my plants establish themselves before adding any fish, fish being the very last thing I want to add, hence why I'm not worried about rapid water changes or completely emptying and rinsing my canister at this point, I probably won't even consider adding fish for 2 months or more. Has anyone had experience with Flourite or another clay based, exceptionally dusty substrate? Can they give me some feedback and insight on how best to maintain this and get my water clear? Where should I be going from here? Should I keep the canister turned of for a bit and then let some of the dust settle before turning it back on? I've also added extra wool to catch the dust particles in the canister and if I do end up turning it back on I'll most likely rinse the canister out every day until the waters under control. As I said, I don't have a means of rinsing the Flourite hence why it's in the tank like this and it's not at all an option to empty the tank and start over so I'm pretty much dealing with what I've got and just looking for helpful hints, tips and advice. Thanks in advance

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    You still need to wash flourite. I have done that each and every time I used it with no bad effects.

    Right now I would suggest a lot of water changes and gravel vacs until you have removed all the dust particles from the water. Once the water is celar, give your filter a very good cleaning. That fine dust/particles in the water will cause your filter media to become clogged and can also cause wear and tear on your filter's impeller.
    If you take your time to do the research FIRST, you can successfully set-up and keep ANY type of aquarium with ease.
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    I agree. I set up a 70g tank with Flourite Black and even though I washed it like I would normal gravel, it was still cloudy for weeks. Whether that was just the Flourite or a bacterial bloom as well, I'm not sure. But eventually it settled.

    Flourite is supposed to release nutrients slowly, though I've no idea how or if this works. I'm not a fan of Flourite, to be honest; I had this tank running for 2 years before I tore it down and replaced the Flourite with play sand. The plants grew only marginally better, and I still had to fertilize the same as my other 6 tanks. Others suggested adding substrate tabs, which seemed pointless if the Flourite is supposed to release nutrients. And the roughness prevented me from having corys [I had some initially, and they developed mouth and barbel issues which cleared up as soon as they were moved to a sand tank.]

    Byron.
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    I'm with Cliff on this one, I've used Flourite with my last two tanks without any problems. Of course my younger son and I rinsed for hours, LOL.

    I'd heard that about Cory's and their sensative barbels when I researched Flourite but never got a definite answer, so I took the chance and have not had any problems with them in the two years I've used it.
    Last edited by steeler58; 08-25-2013 at 10:12 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by steeler1 View Post
    I'm with Cliff on this one, I've used Flourite with my last two tanks without any problems. Of course my younger son and I rinsed for hours, LOL.

    I'd heard that about Cory's and their sensative barbels when I researched Flourite but never got a definite answer, so I took the chance and have not had any problems with them in the two years I've used it.
    Perhaps you have the Flourite sand? I had the regular, which is like gravel. It really did damage to my panda corys and C. similis. They had bleeding mouths, barbels gone completely. I moved them into my 115g with sand, and they are still there some two years later, healthy. The barbels didn't regenerate of course, but the blood patches healed.

    Near the end of the two years with Flourite, it still scratched my fingers when I moved the plants. Eco-Complete is said to be the same. I choose Flourite over EC because in the store I thought the Flourite was smoother; I was feeling it through the bag of course; had I felt it straight, I would never have gone with it, though I might have tried the sand.

    I'm still not sold on the benefits for plants anyway. Mine are doing just a well now after the change to sand. Considering the cost--for me it was $180 for the Flourite, compared to $14 for the play sand--I can't recommend this product. I just want others to know before they make a decision.

    Byron.
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    I'm sorry to hear about your Cory's mouths, I hate to see any animal suffer, and I'm glad they recovered. I researched Flourite for about half a year before I decided on it for all the reasons you stated concerning fish and found people split on it, some fish had the same reaction as your and other's didn't, almost an even split.

    I guess it's the old trial and error, when I did the first tank, I was ready to transfer them to the second if it didn't work out, many people only have the one tank so it's not a risk worth taking for everybody.

    By the way I did not notice that it did anything that great for plants either but my water parameters and water clarity are greatly improved.
    Last edited by steeler58; 08-25-2013 at 11:45 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by steeler1 View Post
    I'm sorry to hear about your Cory's mouths, I hate to see any animal suffer, and I'm glad they recovered. I researched Flourite for about half a year before I decided on it for all the reasons you stated concerning fish and found people split on it, some fish had the same reaction as your and other's didn't, almost an even split.

    I guess it's the old trial and eorr, when I did the first tank, I was ready to transfer them to the second if it didn't work out, many people only have the one tank so it's not a risk worth taking for everybody.

    By the way I did not notice that it did anything that great for plants either but my water parameters and water clarity are greatly improved.
    We're on the same page.

    On the clarity, mine eventually cleared up, but it took a few months. But as I think I mentioned somewhere, that likely was more a bacterial bloom.

    The water parameters reminds me of something; I had higher pH with Flourite, which annoyed me. With the sand now since March this year, the pH in this tank is in the low 6's which is better for my fish. With the F it was around 7 or 7.2, which is how it comes out of the tap. The F clearly kept it from lowering, for two years.

    Byron.
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