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    Hey guys, just thought I'd do a post on the following products, all of which are rather popular, and recommended by LFS. Just a note, I HAVE NOT USED ANY OF THE PRODUCTS EXCEPT NUTRAFIN AQUA PLUS as a water conditioner, the others I have not used at all. I wanted to know peoples opinions on these products, as there are some very mixed reviews out there. Please comment on your experiences with these products, if any, much appreciated.

    1. Nutrafin Aqua Plus (water conditioner)

    2. Nutrafin Cycle (Biological aquarium supplement)

    3. API ammo lock

    4. API stress coat

    5. API stress zyme

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    Thanks to members of the AC who made me aware of it, I don't use anything but Seachems Prime for water conditioner. It's highly concentrated and highly economical to use.

    That's the only product i use for my fish. Have never used ammo lock, stress coat or stress zyme. IMO, none of them are necessary if you keep your tank well filtered and the water clean.

    I do keep Prazi-pro on hand to worm new fish and worm the tanks every six months and I keep Metro+ on hand in case I have a sick fish.

    Others may have differing views
    30 g FW planted:corys, ABNP, blue angel, harleys, zebra danios, nerites & mystery snails
    15 g FW planted: crown tail betta, neons, snails
    90 g FW semi planted: Blood Parrots, severum, Jurupari, EBJD, congos, kribs, clown pleco, snails
    90 Gal Journal: http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aqua...ad.php?t=93939
    Fishless cycling: http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aqua...ead.php?t=5640
    Cycling with fish: http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aqua...ad.php?t=36492

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    In my opinion, the dechlorinator is the only product pictured there that is not a complete waste of money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fishmommie View Post
    Thanks to members of the AC who made me aware of it, I don't use anything but Seachems Prime for water conditioner. It's highly concentrated and highly economical to use.

    That's the only product i use for my fish. Have never used ammo lock, stress coat or stress zyme. IMO, none of them are necessary if you keep your tank well filtered and the water clean.

    I do keep Prazi-pro on hand to worm new fish and worm the tanks every six months and I keep Metro+ on hand in case I have a sick fish.

    Others may have differing views
    Hey, cheers, sorry could you just quickly explain what you mean by 'worm the tanks'?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingFisher View Post
    In my opinion, the dechlorinator is the only product pictured there that is not a complete waste of money.
    LOL thanks for replying, I think i'm inclined to agree with you.

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    Ditto both the above. The only thing I would even consider using of those products is the conditioner, but I would use Prime rather than that brand. The others I wouldn't even consider buying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sheamurai View Post
    Ditto both the above. The only thing I would even consider using of those products is the conditioner, but I would use Prime rather than that brand. The others I wouldn't even consider buying.
    haha i think iv'e been swindled by the LFS, once again!! why would you rather prime? As opposed to nutrafin aqua plus?

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    I don't know anything about your produce but do know that Prime handles both chlorine and chloramine (sp). It's also highly concentrated so a bottle goes a long way. It will also help detoxify ammonia if you get a little spike. Doesn't remove it but reduces the harmful effects.

    As for "worm the tank" Fish inherently come with internal parasites. Prazi pro is a good, gentle wormer that will eliminate most of them. So I worm new fish when I get them then 'worm the tank" every six months. Perhaps a better way to put it would be "treat the tank for worms" :o)
    30 g FW planted:corys, ABNP, blue angel, harleys, zebra danios, nerites & mystery snails
    15 g FW planted: crown tail betta, neons, snails
    90 g FW semi planted: Blood Parrots, severum, Jurupari, EBJD, congos, kribs, clown pleco, snails
    90 Gal Journal: http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aqua...ad.php?t=93939
    Fishless cycling: http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aqua...ead.php?t=5640
    Cycling with fish: http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aqua...ad.php?t=36492

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingFisher View Post
    In my opinion, the dechlorinator is the only product pictured there that is not a complete waste of money.
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    I tend to agree, though not necessarily on the Prime, as I will come to momentarily.

    I happen to use the Nutrafin AquaPlus as my conditioner. I use this one because (a) I only have chlorine in my tap water to deal with, (b) it is the least expensive I can get and I have 7+ tanks with weekly 50% water changes. I've been using this for over a year now, and have no issues with it. Previously I used Kordon's NovAqua for many years.

    The other products here I certainly agree are wasting money and some may cause problems in the aquarium. As you seem to be agreeing with all of us not to bother with them, I won't go into details at this point, but move on to my comments on Prime.

    My issue with Prime is that it does a lot of messing in the tank. It not only handles chlorine and chloramine, but heavy metals [many but not all conditioners deal with these, the AquaPlus does for one], ammonia, nitrite and nitrate. I personally do not need nor do I want any chemical compound in my fish tank that messes with ammonia, nitrite or nitrate. I have live plants that take up pretty much most of the ammonia/ammonium and what is left will feed the archaea (think of it as bacteria...another story if anyone is interested). [And in correspondence with Seachem's lab people, they admitted to me that they do not know how Prime actually detoxifies nitrite and nitrate, but it does; this in itself bothers me a bit.] If you have any of these in your tap water, then Prime may be suited to your needs, though there are other conditioners that handle ammonia if that is all you had, and there is one other, Ultimate by Aquarium Solutions, that deals with ammonia and nitrite (but not nitrate). But without these in your source water, I suggest not using Prime.

    Which brings me to why. Simply, this product adds more TDS (total dissolved solids) than what is necessary [=essential to do some function]. The more substances and chemical compounds that are put in an aquarium, the more the TDS. And soft water fish are highly affected by these. We often confine ourselves to talking about GH but this is only a part of the TDS. I compiled an article [yes, another article] on TDS, here it is:
    http://www.tropicalfishkeeping.com/f...uarium-188697/

    I have come to accept that nothing except what is absolutely essential should be added to a fish tank. I know not everyone takes this view, but I believe it is safer for the fish. The processes that occur in an aquarium are very involved, and inter-connected; the less outside stuff messing up the works, the better for the fishies.

    Byron.

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