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  1. Default My tank lacks colour (fish suggestions)


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    Hi all,

    First post for me today.

    I have a 200 litre tank with the following:

    1 x Juvenile Firemouth
    7 x Cory Cats
    6 x Giant Danios

    The fish movement and harmony is great but the tank seems like it lacks some colour.

    Initially I did think of getting some Tiger Barbs but didn't want to risk the Corys fins (I know some may say they are at risk with a Firemouth!). We want to keep the Corys because we love them and they seem so happy in our tank.

    But what other options do I have to get some colour in. Could I replace the Giant Danios with Rummy Noses? What other colourful school fish can I have with a Firemouth & Corys? (I got the Giant Danios because they work great with the firemouth but colour wise they are lacking the wow factor).

    Any suggestions welcome.
    Cheers,
    Jim

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    The Giant Danio may cause issues eventually. This fish is very active, and should be in groups of at least 8 fish, to confine their interaction to "play" rather than nipping and worse within the group. And this means a 4-foot tank minimum. If your 200 liter (= 52 gallons) tank is 4 feet, and you decide to keep this species, you should consider two more.

    But these plus the Firemouth will limit other tankmates as there really isn't much room left for upper-water fish. The corys are fine.

    Should you decide to re-home the danio, tankmate options for the Firemouth would be from the medium-sized barbs or larger characins. Firemouth is a mildly aggressive cichlid, but it is also a very nervous fish; external noise will stress it, and tankmates must not be aggressive or boisterous. The Black Ruby Barb would work, or some of the similar species (but not the Tiger Barb). Larger characins like the Bleeding Heart.

    Byron.
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    congos are great color, but in a 200l tank like that i would have those as the sole schooling fish for top section, keep the cories and i doubt the fm would bother the congos much, tho the cories might be in for some trouble.... i think fms are a relative of earth eaters arent they?
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    Thanks for the replys.

    Both the Congo and Black Rudy Barbs are interesting. I have to say now having read up on the Black Ruby Barbs I am loving the look of these and I've never had Barbs before so this does appeal.

    When I purchased the Danios the guy in the LFS wasn't very helpful as it now appears my tank isn't really long enough, so I will mention that and ask them to take them back. Then I will spend some time looking for these Black Ruby Barbs.

    Will the Juvenile Firemouth be ok with Juvenile Barbs, will he give them time to grow?

    Also do some people refer to them as just "Ruby Barbs"?

    Thanks all.
    Last edited by rbjim; 08-12-2013 at 07:46 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rbjim View Post
    Thanks for the replys.

    Both the Congo and Black Rudy Barbs are interesting. I have to say now having read up on the Black Ruby Barbs I am loving the look of these and I've never had Barbs before so this does appeal.

    When I purchased the Danios the guy in the LFS wasn't very helpful as it now appears my tank isn't really long enough, so I will mention that and ask them to take them back. Then I will spend some time looking for these Black Ruby Barbs.

    Will the Juvenile Firemouth be ok with Juvenile Barbs, will he give them time to grow?

    Also do some people refer to them as just "Ruby Barbs"?

    Thanks all.
    Black ruby barbs; scientific name, Pethia nigrofasciata also called the "Purple headed barb". A great choice, nowhere as ornery as Tiger barbs.

    This is one time I would recomend Serpae tetras as they can take care of themselves. Some other tetras, beside Bleeding hearts (great suggestion, Kermit) would be Diamond and Buenos aires.
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    Pethia nigrofasciata2.jpgPethia nigrofasciata3.jpgI would caution on Serpae Tetra, simply because the Firemouth can be intimidated and Serpae are variable in their aggressiveness. Dr. Stanley Weitzman offers a possible reason for this. He has suggested that the "species" may be a complex of closely related species that are geographically quite variable and occur over a wide area of Amazonia; it is quite possible that this "species" may actually be several different species, each endemic to specific river basins; this will only be ascertained after collections from many locations have been studied in detail. Many of the fish now available in the hobby are commercially raised and differ from wild-caught fish with respect to the dark shoulder or humeral patch. Commercially bred fish are descended from hybrids (perhaps unintentionally) of fish from different geographical areas, and the patch is shorter or all but absent on most; on wild-caught fish, this patch is black, elongate and slightly triangular. [Weitzman, 1997]

    I have a group of Black Ruby Barbs in with my group of Congo Tetra, and these have been together for over two years now. There has never been the slightest sign of any aggression (nipping or whatever) from the Barbs, even with the long flowing fins on the Congos. The Emperor Tetra are also in this tank, and a couple times one of them has been eyeing the Congos, but this passed and nothing has occurred. These Emperors have hatched and grown up in this tank, which may have helped. I removed the parent fish (gave them away), and over the next few weeks the fry kept appearing, 12 in total.

    I think the BRB is perhaps the most docile of all the barbs. They are prolific spawners, though all the eggs get eaten in my tank pretty fast. Here is my profile on this fish (unfortunately you can't see the photos without joining that site, but I'll add them here from my collection):
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    Hi Byron,

    This has been really helpful. Thanks.

    So in a 200L with..

    1 x Firemouth
    7 x Corys

    How many Black Ruby Barbs can I have?

    Cheers,
    Jim

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    Try Aqadvisor.com, spelled exactly like that. It's a fairly reliable stocking calculator. If it was me, I'd toss a few more cories in, as they get more and more active and fun the more you have.
    I hate hearing people say "it's only a $3/$5/$1 fish/shrimp, so it's ok if it dies, I can just get another." It's still an animal! All animals should be treated like they're worth $10,000.
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    I agree to increase the corys, as you have room and they do appreciate more. You can have different species, they all get along. Try to have several or each species, but in total you are OK with up to 20 here.

    On the Black Ruby Barbs, I would not have less than 8, with 4 each male and female. If this is the only other fish you intend, I would up this to 10-12, again staying with equal male/female.

    Byron.
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    One note; dwarf and pygmy cories will school with larger cories, but not as much as others will. I'd suggest julii, false julii, or salt-and-pepper cories. Julii and false julii will come up off the substrate and play on the wood now and then, so I'd suggest maybe 6 of those. They'll play with the others some of the time and play around on the wood and plants the rest of the time.
    I hate hearing people say "it's only a $3/$5/$1 fish/shrimp, so it's ok if it dies, I can just get another." It's still an animal! All animals should be treated like they're worth $10,000.
    29 sw: Damsel, shrimpgoby, pistol shrimp, waspfish
    65 fw: Rummies, glowlight tetras, pencilfish, darters, ottos, f betta, goby, dwarf gourami, ninjas
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