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  1. #11

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    Well... some of the big ones can be mean b.... but not shellies.

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    I have to add my voice to Talldutchie and Sandz. I have never kept them personally but was considering them a while ago. When I was doing research on them, several sources (both real life and internet) said to make sure to get plenty of shells so each fish has more than one to choose from or aggression will be a problem. My guess is the people you spoke with didn't have enough options for the fish to choose. Adding several extra shells and some rocks to break the line of site, as dutchie suggested should be all you need to curb the aggression.
    When I go fishing I just place a sharp rock in the water and sit there waiting for all the dead fish to float to the top... Kingfisher
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    I think my fish is adjusting well to the four gallon, He's laying on his side attempting to go to sleep on the bottom of the gravel.
    Tolerance is a great thing to have, so is the ability to shut up.

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  3. #13

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    Breaking the line of sight is the usual advice for shellies but it definitely will not work in a 15gal with Ocellatus - believe me, I've kept them and you need a much larger footprint than what you will get from a 15gal. I don't even think you could be successful with a pair. I kept 4/5 juveniles in a 30gal and they followed the same pattern of killing each other until just two remained and this was with LOTS of shells and LOTS of broken lines of sight. The remaining battle-worn pair did breed but the results got eaten very quickly by the others in the tank. You'd never know they bred together by their behaviour - they beat each other up on a regular basis and, even as a hardened cichlid keeper, I found it quite upsetting to see. They do so much damage. Ocellatus are, without doubt, the most aggressive species of shelldweller I have ever kept - and I've kept mbuna Malawis in the past too.

    If you can get them you could try 4 Neolamprologus multifasciatus. They are probably the least aggressive shelly. You may have to rescue any outcasts pretty quickly though as I still wouldn't be confident of keeping more than a pair in this footprint.

    15gal is too small for brichardi and leleupi - these need at least 30gal for a pair. Bare minimum. Leleupi are horrible bullies and will dominate any rockwork you have. Brichardi will go on a killing spree when they pair up and breed.

    Altolamps are a little cooler but require much larger set-ups as they grow BIG.

    I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news but I don't think you'll have anything but carnage if you proceed with this.
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    People underestimate occies, they are angry little fish. I had them and they used to attack my hand. They would bite and hold on to me for awhile, never had any other fish to that lol. A 20g long is really the minimum footprint for these guys. Shellies can be kept in a 15g, just not those.
    "At some point you aren't making the animal more dead...You are just making a bigger mess." - Demjor19

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    As mentioned earlier, we only have a very small list of fish species which are cleared for import into New Zealand and Neolamprologus multifasciatus isn't on the list. The only true shellies on the list are occies.

    A bit disappointed as I originally bought the tank for the purpose of a shellie tank. I derived my stocklist from these cookie cutter tanks -- one of the set-ups for a 20g was a pair of Julidochromis regani, pair of Neolamprologus leleupi and a trio of Lamprologus occelatus. I figured just 5 gallons smaller without the 2 added species would be fine but apparently not.
    http://www.cichlid-forum.com/article...cutter_20g.php

    Oh well. Thanks for the advice/support from anyone anyway.

  6. #16

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    As mentioned earlier, we only have a very small list of fish species which are cleared for import into New Zealand and Neolamprologus multifasciatus isn't on the list. The only true shellies on the list are occies.

    A bit disappointed as I originally bought the tank for the purpose of a shellie tank. I derived my stocklist from these cookie cutter tanks -- one of the set-ups for a 20g was a pair of Julidochromis regani, pair of Neolamprologus leleupi and a trio of Lamprologus occelatus. I figured just 5 gallons smaller without the 2 added species would be fine but apparently not.
    http://www.cichlid-forum.com/article...cutter_20g.php

    Oh well. Thanks for the advice/support from anyone anyway.

  7. #17

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    I might be missing a point here but if I look at this document

    http://www.biosecurity.govt.nz/files...sornic.all.pdf

    it has on page 21

    APPENDIX TWO
    APPROVED SPECIES OF ORNAMENTAL FISH AND MARINEINVERTEBRATES


    And that lists a lot of apistogramma but also Neolamprologus brevis which is well known to be mildly mannered. I know of several people who keep a pair in a 30-40 liter with success and your tank should be able to hold 2 pair.
    A pair of apistos is perfectly possible in your tank and a lot of species are cleared for import.

  8. #18

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    Ah yes Brevis is technically not illegal but I have still never seen it and don't know anyone that has. As far as I know it has never been imported.

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    So what Tanganyikan cichlids do you have access too?
    "At some point you aren't making the animal more dead...You are just making a bigger mess." - Demjor19

  10. #20

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    As i mentioned earlier only occies, brichardi, leleupi and calvus (but calvus are about $110 per fish so theyre absolutely out of the question). I think very occasionally some species of julis show up but very rare and not cheap.

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