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View Poll Results: What's Your though on Water Conditions

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  • All Fish Require Water Matching their wild Habitats

    0 0%
  • Most Fish Require Water Matching their wild Habitats

    2 9.09%
  • Some Fish Require Water Matching their wild Habitats

    14 63.64%
  • Few Fish Require Water Matching their wild Habitats

    6 27.27%
  • No Fish Require Water Matching their wild Habitats

    0 0%
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  1. #1

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    Ok, I would like to start a poll... Please keep your response "professional" and understand that everyone is entitled to their own opinions (many of which are based on our own experiences)

    Since getting back into the hobby last october I've noticed that some people say you can't keep a fish if your pH is low/high or if other conditions aren't perfect, yet since I have started I have noticed that most fish seem to be able to adjust to differing water conditions

    **EDIT - this does not include "wild" caught fish - it is obvious that they would do better - but even they could "adjust" to differing conditions slowly

    example, My german blues: every where you see that they need 5.0-7.0 ph yet my 55 has a pH of around 7.6 and I have had them laying eggs on a monthly basis (end up eating them, but more bad parenting than anything since they make it to wiggler stage)
    Last edited by Triton; 06-24-2013 at 09:30 PM. Reason: Wild Caught Fish

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    I would say some where between some and few fish, like discus, require parameters close to that which they are naturally found in. IME, stable and good water parameters are key to successfully long term fish keeping.

    Just my experiences
    If you take your time to do the research FIRST, you can successfully set-up and keep ANY type of aquarium with ease.
    "Not using a quarantine tank is like playing Russian roulette. Nobody wins the game, some people just get to play longer than others." - Anthony Calfo
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  3. #3

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    There's only one point I'm going to make before I sit back with a cuppa to watch the outcome.

    Ph tells you something about if your water is acidic or not. There's also hardness or dissolved mineral content http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_water and that also matters to fish. So, perhaps consider that as well when you answer.

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    Tell me what is the physiological difference between wilds and captives that make captives more adaptable.
    Because it seems to me that it would be the other way around, especially considering how everyone wants to claim weak stock for all their issues. And how often have you heard the fish in the fish stores seem to be weak from over breeding. So if this is true, wilds should be more adaptable because they should be hardier from breeding naturally.
    Personally I used to think it was ok to put fish in any sort of pH and water hardness but I have since changed my mind. The more I see the beautiful colors on the fish of the people here who do keep fish in as close to proper water hardness as possible, the more I am convinced there should not be much of a difference for any fish. All fish, wild or captive can and do adapt to a small difference in their environments but no fish should have to adapt to a huge difference.
    I have also seen fish spawn in less than perfect conditions, I don't understand why some people think this is the crowning glory to their side of this argument. However, I have also seen those fish eat their spawn... perhaps because the fry were in danger of dying. I don't know.
    Last edited by mommy1; 06-24-2013 at 09:46 PM.
    When I go fishing I just place a sharp rock in the water and sit there waiting for all the dead fish to float to the top... Kingfisher
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    I think my fish is adjusting well to the four gallon, He's laying on his side attempting to go to sleep on the bottom of the gravel.
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  5. #5

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    Quote Originally Posted by talldutchie View Post
    There's only one point I'm going to make before I sit back with a cuppa to watch the outcome.

    Ph tells you something about if your water is acidic or not. There's also hardness or dissolved mineral content http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_water and that also matters to fish. So, perhaps consider that as well when you answer.
    Thats what I was going for, just was using pH as the example I have experienced the most with

  6. #6

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    Quote Originally Posted by Honey Badger 1 View Post
    I have also seen fish spawn in less than perfect conditions, I don't understand why some people think this is the crowning glory to their side of this argument. However, I have also seen those fish eat their spawn... perhaps because the fry were in danger of dying. I don't know.
    Personally, for me, breeding is a sign that the fish are comfortable, but is definitely not my crowning glory, to me the color and activity level of the fish is what my judgement of how well I am doing is based off of.

    As for differences in wilds vs captives breds, I do think there is a difference, could I say really what causes it - no. But I have seen so many captive bred fish that are a good stock (not massively inbred) vs the typical bad stock (the people that try to breed out one trait without mixing blood lines is what I feel causes this)

    -A local African cichlid breeder uses wild caught fish as he breeding pairs and sells off the newborns which are raised in his local tap. He has told me he looses a few from what he thinks is the tap water, but for the most part the fry end up perfectly healthy fish that do great in his tap

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    Just for clarification, by "require" what do you mean? To stay alive? To thrive and live their full life until their average lifespan is achieved?

    Liters to Gallons conversion calculator

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  8. #8

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    To me its more of a stay alive and be as happy as a fish in a glass tank could be

    It does make you think what the fish would prefer - glass box or wild (where it could get cold, not have access to food all the time, and become a meal at any second) lol

  9. #9

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    Perhaps the the amount of difference is important here as well. I can best explain what I mean by using a example. I know congo tetras (based on my research) require a pH of 6.0 to 7.5. My pH is stable at 7.6. Its outside of the range they are naturally found in, but close enough so they have grown large and are very colorful. If my pH was any higher, I would not keep them and find fish to stock which their requirements where at least a closer fit. But I do not like trying to change my water parameters so I will always try to find fish that will fit my water parameters so on-going maintenance is easier for me.

    I alos perfer to look at pH as a lagging indication (or guideline) of hardness.
    If you take your time to do the research FIRST, you can successfully set-up and keep ANY type of aquarium with ease.
    "Not using a quarantine tank is like playing Russian roulette. Nobody wins the game, some people just get to play longer than others." - Anthony Calfo
    Fishless Cycle Cycling with Fish Marine Aquarium Info [URL="http://saltwater.aquaticcommunity.com/"]

  10. #10

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    True, I believe that some fish such as discus are a bit pickier, but the GBR's I have had do great, are very active (heck, they even attack my hand - little "insert word of choice")

    I have never liked trying to mess with the water params beyond maybe a little leaf litter or alder cones.

    The chemicals I feel like do more harm than good, but at least natural things apply there effects slowly, however I feel a big water change can hurt the stability then.

    So far with my higher pH I haven't had too many issues with any of the fish I have been able to try

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