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  1. Default Something's killing only gouramis?


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    I have a 65 gallon community tank, lightly planted, driftwood and a dirt substrate. Currently, the fish I have are:
    Various pencilfish
    Various cories
    Three female bettas
    Three assorted gobies
    An ADF
    And formerly, a pearl gourami.
    However, a little while ago, the pearl gourami turned up dead. It was sitting at the top of the water, as if taking a breath, but it wasn't breathing, and its fins were all shredded. I thought that the culprits were some blind tetras and mosquitofish that had been harrasing the others, that they had harrassed the poor thing to death, so I got rid of those. Now, I've added a largeish gold gourami and a small blue gourami, but I just found the blue dead. It's in the same position as the other one was, at the top of the water like it was breathing, but dead. I have a few ideas as to what might have happened:
    Low oxygen could have been the culprit, since it's big fish that are dying, but my bettas aren't taking many air breaths, and none of the others are breathing too fast or anything.
    Something in the dirt was another idea... Problem is, the pearl was in there for a while without any signs of distress, the blue died almost immediately, and I'd think that my small fish would be more easily affected by any kind of toxin. My smallest fish are pygmy cories that are about half an inch long, and I'm pretty sure they're all still there... Hard to tell, though, since they're tiny fish in a big tank.
    I don't think it was harrassed to death, since none of my things are aggressive. One of the pencils did nip at it a little bit when I put the blue in, but once it realized that the blue's spots weren't food, it stopped.
    Anyone else know what it might be? Just a weird coincidence that the blue happened to be in bad shape anyway?
    I hate hearing people say "it's only a $3/$5/$1 fish/shrimp, so it's ok if it dies, I can just get another." It's still an animal! All animals should be treated like they're worth $10,000.
    29 sw: Damsel, shrimpgoby, pistol shrimp, waspfish
    65 fw: Rummies, glowlight tetras, pencilfish, darters, ottos, f betta, goby, dwarf gourami, ninjas
    29 fw: Chili rasboras, pygmy cories, P. Gertrudae

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    It could be your female bettas that harrassed the pearl to death - they can get pretty nasty with other labyrynth fishes - that was my first thought when I saw the stock list.
    As for the gold and the blue... gouramis are super-territorial with each other, and my money is on the larger gold one killing the smaller blue one this time around - especially if the gold one is a male (but females get pretty fiesty, too).

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    It definitely wasn't the bettas... They gave the pearl a wide berth, and the most the dominant one ever did was poof her gills up and then dart away.
    I don't think that was what happened... I saw the two interact with a couple of times, and they both flared their fins out, circled eachother a couple of times, and just kind of wandered off. The gold stayed near the bottom of the tank, and the blue stayed near the top. Also, there are absolutely no marks on the blue; not even nipped fins.
    Plus, the gold is really shy; it's even cautious around my tiny little pencilfish.
    I hate hearing people say "it's only a $3/$5/$1 fish/shrimp, so it's ok if it dies, I can just get another." It's still an animal! All animals should be treated like they're worth $10,000.
    29 sw: Damsel, shrimpgoby, pistol shrimp, waspfish
    65 fw: Rummies, glowlight tetras, pencilfish, darters, ottos, f betta, goby, dwarf gourami, ninjas
    29 fw: Chili rasboras, pygmy cories, P. Gertrudae

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    Fish will sometimes do their attacking at night. Doesn't mean it isn't happening because you have not seen it. Two gourami's seldom will work in a tank together and not too often will betta's and gourami's.

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    You can't watch the fish all the time. I definitely think that they were harassed to death. As was said, 3 spot gouramis are very aggressive with each other - the little one dying is not a surprise. Not to be rude or anything, but since you mention treating animals like they are worth $10,000 in your signature, perhaps a little more diligent research is in order next time.

    Also, it definitely wasn't a matter of low oxygen - gouramis are labrynth fish that breath air.
    Last edited by jaysee; 06-05-2013 at 01:55 AM.
    125 - big fish - BGK
    125 - cichlid community - cichlids (red severums, chanchitos, bolivian rams, blue acara, chocolate), rainbows (yellow, turquoise, red and boesmani), loaches (angelicus, zebra, kuhli and horseface), plecos (BN, RL and clown), denison barbs, pearl gouramis, golden wonder killis
    90 - african community - Congo tetras, african knife, african butterflies, spotted ctenopoma, palmas bichir, african featherfin
    10 - female pink convict
    5 - betta/ADFs

    QTs - 2x29, 20H, 20L

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    A shame about the gouramis. They're one of my favorites. It's not lack of oxygen. Like the bettas gourami is part of the anabantoid family and have a labyrinth organ which allows them to survive in water with very low oxygen levels.

    To me, it sounds like your bettas aren't too happy with their tank mates. Both fish types are territorial and can get ugly with each other. A lightly planted tank with some room to it can make this worse. When they aren't over crowded and there are a few choice homes among the plants they tend to get more aggressive. If you don't want to remove any of the fish, I'd recommend adding more plants especially at the surface of the water.

    PS if the gourami is staying towards the bottom of the tank something is wrong with it. Based off the other bettas, I'd guess it stressed out.
    Last edited by Fishan; 06-05-2013 at 02:10 AM.

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    I don't think the remaining gourami is stressed, it's now exploring the rest of the tank. Many new fish tend to stay near the bottom when I first get them, because that's where there's more cover.
    I actually have been doing some research, and quite a few places have said that two gouramis in a tank or gouramis and bettas will work just fine in a larger tank.
    I don't think anything in the tank is being harrassed... The only fish who have any kind of marks from nipping are a couple of male pencils, which have tiny bits of their fins missing from the little spats they get in, and one julii cory, who's missing the black tip of his fin because one betta though the black spot was food.
    I'll make sure to check it out, though, and I'm working on getting more plants in there. Problem is, there's this strip in midwater that's too high for bottom plants to reach and too low for top plants to reach...
    I hate hearing people say "it's only a $3/$5/$1 fish/shrimp, so it's ok if it dies, I can just get another." It's still an animal! All animals should be treated like they're worth $10,000.
    29 sw: Damsel, shrimpgoby, pistol shrimp, waspfish
    65 fw: Rummies, glowlight tetras, pencilfish, darters, ottos, f betta, goby, dwarf gourami, ninjas
    29 fw: Chili rasboras, pygmy cories, P. Gertrudae

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    Hey, you asked what we thought. Your mind was made up about what is wasn't before you posted, so I guess it doesn't matter how many people tell you otherwise. What do YOU think the problem is??
    125 - big fish - BGK
    125 - cichlid community - cichlids (red severums, chanchitos, bolivian rams, blue acara, chocolate), rainbows (yellow, turquoise, red and boesmani), loaches (angelicus, zebra, kuhli and horseface), plecos (BN, RL and clown), denison barbs, pearl gouramis, golden wonder killis
    90 - african community - Congo tetras, african knife, african butterflies, spotted ctenopoma, palmas bichir, african featherfin
    10 - female pink convict
    5 - betta/ADFs

    QTs - 2x29, 20H, 20L

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fishkeeper View Post
    II don't think it was harrassed to death, since none of my things are aggressive. One of the pencils did nip at it a little bit when I put the blue in, but once it realized that the blue's spots weren't food, it stopped.
    Anyone else know what it might be? Just a weird coincidence that the blue happened to be in bad shape anyway?
    +1 to jaysee - So what else do you think it could have been? You asked - people responded but apparently it's not what anyone here thinks - so I guess you have come to your own conclusion?
    46 gal fw tank with black skirt tetras, neon tetras, spotted corys, green corys, 1 guppy, cherry barbs, otoclinus, snails & 4 amano shrimp - plastic & live plants
    5 gal QT with green corys & 2 guppies

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    I'm surprised nobody mentioned the Gobies. =/ People think they're peaceful community fish (because they're often labeled as such), but that's a pretty big misconception. They're equally territorial and about as opportunistic as predatory catfish. They don't just eat algae. ;P

    Gouramis have a tendency to explore the bottom of the tank (actually, the entire tank). Some can be more aggressive/territorial than others and it's possible they're tangling with the Gobies.

    That is, of course, if it's not the obvious and probable issue of housing two types of Gouramis in the same tank. I doubt it's the female Bettas, but I would certainly put my money on the bigger, more aggressive Gourami. That's your culprit... and it's been repeated several times.

    The only thing you have to do, now, is either take or leave the advice that's been given to you. There are plenty of other fish you could house in that tank to keep it civil and beautiful. You don't have to have Gouramis... and if you really wanted a Gourami tank, you'd probably be best using Pearl Gouramis, since they're probably the most peaceful in the family.
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